This all has nothing to do with the fact that the comment I replied to is suggesting that somehow actually being better is not meritorious. If your parents, grandparents, and community did know how to raise you better,…
In what way is that not meritocratic? The goal isn't to find the most Christlike figure born to the humblest beginnings and tempted thoughout his life by literally Satan to fall off the good path; it's to find the…
Alternatively, products would be cheaper as we'd legislate away defection in that particular instance of the prisoners dilemma.
Worries about particulars like infinite scroll miss the point: fundamentally, the advertising business model is a market distorting one that companies use to provide goods and services below cost. It is paid advertising…
OP is about information, not functionality. In the early 2000s you would put things like that on a web page, and you'd put e.g. chat in its own application like Gaim. In the 2010s the model inverted: now you need to…
Not that I think this significantly alters the point, but it's pretty common in the US to regulate or ban signage. e.g. billboards are illegal in my city and there are specific regulations about what kind of elements…
Couldn't you just instruct the model to always use your tool call to spawn subagents? Subagents are not some magical thing; it's just another prompt with a couple tool calls for plumbing. One of my colleagues made his…
I didn't say humanities majors don't earn more. People who earn more with their degree aren't the contention. The contention is the nebulous, intrinsic value of a "more educated society", c.f.…
The original post defined it: > The test itself is simple: If an undergraduate program's graduates don't earn more than workers who never went to college, that program could be cut off from federal student loans. The…
The post explicitly calls out that solution manuals are available and that one should do most/all problems. For highly mathematical topics you can also do derivations (or proofs in math) yourself before reading the one…
People earning higher wages as the result of their degree are explicitly and exactly not the topic of discussion. The discussion is about funding for programs that measurably do not produce economic benefits, and some…
I suppose it depends on what you mean by unstructured (vs. the original claim of self-study). e.g. my method of self-study was generally to find course requirements for a degree program, find corresponding course…
I'm not making nearly that strong of an argument, and indeed neither is the regulation under discussion. They need to demonstrate that it's somehow beneficial on average to economic outcomes. That could mean: * You were…
You can place them in a dialog with other texts, but that implies that students are reading and becoming intimately familiar with the canon being critiqued. And generally speaking, I'd expect more of a refinement than a…
I'm mostly speaking to the students, but certainly there are faculty that would apply to as well. If we're talking about some intangible benefit to society for having lots of educated people, I would interpret that as…
Right but that's just it: it's barely the upper half (over 40% of young people now get a degree apparently[0]), and the age breakdown indicates that 40% is also apparently the proportion of 18-29s that know we declared…
They might be part of the curriculum, but apparently ~half the country doesn't know what we just celebrated[0], so I somehow doubt they actually did their reading. It's pretty easy to pass or even do well in classes…
I don't think that's really a counterpoint. My point was that I get the impression that even those in the humanities seem to be losing familiarity with liberal ideas.
To that point, how many university educated American adults have actually read, say, Locke? It's been freely and easily accessible for decades, e.g.: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/7370 How many university (liberal…
I'll go ahead and deny the benefits of widespread tertiary liberal arts education. I honestly don't see it working; if anything modern "liberal arts" seem to be undermining liberalism. Certainly it's not obviously…
If a program doesn't leave the student [economically] better off, then it wasn't about the realities of the modern economy.
Assuming you were educated, your assertion that natural rights are meaningless is a good argument to me that the project of universal tertiary education is simply not worth it. If we can't even get people to see that…
It's not a dichotomy. My kids play with each other ~10-12 hours a day and I still taught my 4 year old to read. In fact, the more productive intentional learning is, the more time they have for play.
No one in this subthread said teachers aren't doing exactly what the schools need them to do; the OP you replied to said properly harnessed LLMs could be a boon for a smart, curious child. Why is that absurd for…
Are you just conceding the point here? The original commenter was obviously a curious child, not a tantrum throwing glue eater. That ostensible teachers are busy babysitting (or potty training now, apparently) the…
This all has nothing to do with the fact that the comment I replied to is suggesting that somehow actually being better is not meritorious. If your parents, grandparents, and community did know how to raise you better,…
In what way is that not meritocratic? The goal isn't to find the most Christlike figure born to the humblest beginnings and tempted thoughout his life by literally Satan to fall off the good path; it's to find the…
Alternatively, products would be cheaper as we'd legislate away defection in that particular instance of the prisoners dilemma.
Worries about particulars like infinite scroll miss the point: fundamentally, the advertising business model is a market distorting one that companies use to provide goods and services below cost. It is paid advertising…
OP is about information, not functionality. In the early 2000s you would put things like that on a web page, and you'd put e.g. chat in its own application like Gaim. In the 2010s the model inverted: now you need to…
Not that I think this significantly alters the point, but it's pretty common in the US to regulate or ban signage. e.g. billboards are illegal in my city and there are specific regulations about what kind of elements…
Couldn't you just instruct the model to always use your tool call to spawn subagents? Subagents are not some magical thing; it's just another prompt with a couple tool calls for plumbing. One of my colleagues made his…
I didn't say humanities majors don't earn more. People who earn more with their degree aren't the contention. The contention is the nebulous, intrinsic value of a "more educated society", c.f.…
The original post defined it: > The test itself is simple: If an undergraduate program's graduates don't earn more than workers who never went to college, that program could be cut off from federal student loans. The…
The post explicitly calls out that solution manuals are available and that one should do most/all problems. For highly mathematical topics you can also do derivations (or proofs in math) yourself before reading the one…
People earning higher wages as the result of their degree are explicitly and exactly not the topic of discussion. The discussion is about funding for programs that measurably do not produce economic benefits, and some…
I suppose it depends on what you mean by unstructured (vs. the original claim of self-study). e.g. my method of self-study was generally to find course requirements for a degree program, find corresponding course…
I'm not making nearly that strong of an argument, and indeed neither is the regulation under discussion. They need to demonstrate that it's somehow beneficial on average to economic outcomes. That could mean: * You were…
You can place them in a dialog with other texts, but that implies that students are reading and becoming intimately familiar with the canon being critiqued. And generally speaking, I'd expect more of a refinement than a…
I'm mostly speaking to the students, but certainly there are faculty that would apply to as well. If we're talking about some intangible benefit to society for having lots of educated people, I would interpret that as…
Right but that's just it: it's barely the upper half (over 40% of young people now get a degree apparently[0]), and the age breakdown indicates that 40% is also apparently the proportion of 18-29s that know we declared…
They might be part of the curriculum, but apparently ~half the country doesn't know what we just celebrated[0], so I somehow doubt they actually did their reading. It's pretty easy to pass or even do well in classes…
I don't think that's really a counterpoint. My point was that I get the impression that even those in the humanities seem to be losing familiarity with liberal ideas.
To that point, how many university educated American adults have actually read, say, Locke? It's been freely and easily accessible for decades, e.g.: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/7370 How many university (liberal…
I'll go ahead and deny the benefits of widespread tertiary liberal arts education. I honestly don't see it working; if anything modern "liberal arts" seem to be undermining liberalism. Certainly it's not obviously…
If a program doesn't leave the student [economically] better off, then it wasn't about the realities of the modern economy.
Assuming you were educated, your assertion that natural rights are meaningless is a good argument to me that the project of universal tertiary education is simply not worth it. If we can't even get people to see that…
It's not a dichotomy. My kids play with each other ~10-12 hours a day and I still taught my 4 year old to read. In fact, the more productive intentional learning is, the more time they have for play.
No one in this subthread said teachers aren't doing exactly what the schools need them to do; the OP you replied to said properly harnessed LLMs could be a boon for a smart, curious child. Why is that absurd for…
Are you just conceding the point here? The original commenter was obviously a curious child, not a tantrum throwing glue eater. That ostensible teachers are busy babysitting (or potty training now, apparently) the…