So n * (1-0.5) * (1-0.1)... This could also work for miles to km conversion in a similar way: n * (1+0.5) * (1+0.1). Not as accurate as golden ratio but still acceptable. :D
For outside temperatures it's close enough though. As an American who travels to Central America quite a bit being about to do: (C*2) + 30 to get F is close enough.
Just remember 100F was Fahrenheit's wife's body temperature when she had a low grade fever. Normal body temperature is 36.8C, and with a low fever it's between 37 and 38C. It's so easy! haha.
Even converting to and back isn't bad... work in a machine shop for a while and it will be second nature. Also metric/standard tools do not cross the line on the floor, only you and the work piece on different pieces of equipment. 25um looks like a mil, but it's not!
Yeah it's not actually that bad, the base-12 system helps you out. You multiply the feet by 3, divide the inches by 4, add, multiply by 10. Optionally add 1.5% to really get that extra precision.
It's 30.5•(a+b/12) understood as about 1.015•10•(3a+b/4).
So I am 6’4”, that becomes 18+1=19, so I am about 190cm. Adding between 1-2% gives me that I am between 192cm and 194cm. I know I am on the lower end of 6’4” (maybe 6’ 3.75”) so I usually report 192cm.
It took me a second to parse what you were saying. Essentially since it’s 2.2LBS per kg the first divide gets you the number on both sides of the decimal. Very cool
I have similar way of calculating square meters from square feet. "Subtract 10% divide by 10". So for example 900 square feet: 900 - 90 = 810/10 = 81. Real answer is 83.6, close enough for me.
If you are going that route, why not multiply by 8 and divide by 5 for a much better approximation. But to be honest for me it has always been easier to directly multiply by 1.6 (or 1.5 for your case)
The pendulum has now swung the other way on the misconception by the general public of mathematicians being great at mental arithmetic, and it's become a meme for some mathematicians to take some pride in being average or poor at mental arithmetic. In my experience, most mathematicians (or anyone working in a quantitative field) don't have issues quickly approximating 1.6 * X.
There are a fair number of people who seem to take personal offense that the US (and to some degree the UK) don't use SI for everyday types of things and add it to their laundry list of grievances about the US generally.
Never mind the fact that SI is generally used for engineering and other areas where it has legitimate advantages (which miles vs. kilometers doesn't really in day-to-day life).
And there are a fair number of people who seem to take personal offense that SI units exist in any form or fashion, perturbing the natural way of the world.
We can't really know to what category this one belongs to.
Except when it isn't? Are you telling me SI is used in engineering everywhere in the US? I've heard too many stories (especially accidents) to believe that in any way.
PSI is very commonplace though I'm not in a field where I use it in an engineering way. (I actually had to think for a second to come up with the SI equivalent.)
Pounds are one of the real bugbears of imperial in mechanical engineering with lb-f and slugs (i.e. "pounds" conflates mass and weight). Always hated that. I'd convert things to metric and then convert back when I had to work in Imperial.
And I still hear stones from time to time in the UK if you really want archaic.
A calorie was originally defined as as the amount of heat required at a pressure of 1 standard atmosphere to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water 1° Celsius.
But you're right that is sort of a weird unit from the past insofar as it's related to the SI system but isn't formally part of it. (It's basically now defined by its ratio to joules.)
Adding: There are a number of measurements that aren't necessarily obviously related but are actually the same thing in terms of units. Heat, work, and energy are all newton meters or kg m^2/sec^2 in SI units.
Nope. Hence generally. I haven't made a study of it but I assume Imperial units are more common in civil engineering and other areas that converge with local construction and building trades. Metric is pretty standard in my experience more broadly. (Note also that the better known examples of unit conversion accidents are pretty old as far as I know.)
On the UK railways, I think I'm right in saying that the only place imperial units are used is in measuring the curvature of track, which involves chains.
Also, although not strictly a debate around metric, the Fahrenheit scale gives you more granularity without going to decimals and requires less use of negative numbers on a day to day basis. And, if one is really concerned about a scientifically relevant temperature scale, we'd be using Kelvin, not Celsius.
Kelvin IS Celsius, only starts at absolute zero. 0 C is 273 Kelvin, and 0 Kelvin is -273 Celsius. You add 273 to any Celsius measurement, and voila, it's Kelvin.
No. That's actually not quite correct. You add 273.15... The size of the degree is the same of course.
My point is that if you want to use a "correct" scientific measurement on a day to day basis you'd use Kelvin. As soon as you're converting, you're converting whether from Celsius or Fahrenheit.
ADDED: There's an argument for Celsius vs. Fahrenheit of course in so far as the size of the degree is baked into some other SI measurements. But there's no particular other reason that Celsius is superior on a day to day basis other than familiarity for some. There's some logic to basing easy to remember numerical points around water properties but it's not clear that actually has a lot of advantages for day-to-day questions about how hot or how cold it is.
The fact that degree is the same means that energetically 1 degree C is equal to 1K.
So when doing scientific calculations, for example to calculate energy needed to change the temp by X, they are the same.
The fact that the scale is based on water properties seem to be just so values are easier to relate to. We are water based, after all.
Can anyone provide any reason to use Fahrenheit scale, apart from historical ones? Legit question.
1. Fahrenheit is far more likely to cover the range of temperatures I encounter without having to use negative numbers. 0 is really cold. Anything below zero is really freaking cold. The temperature of the boiling point of water is mostly an academic point in my day to day life.
2. Fahrenheit provides about 2x the granularity of Celsius without having to use decimals
I'm not going to argue that if Fahrenheit didn't exist, we'd invent it. But it does have some advantages as an existing system.
ADDED: For engineering using SI units, of course Celsius and Kelvin make a lot more sense.
I find this hilarious when watching DIY videos on YouTube.
All the makers are talking about "5/16 of an inch" and I'm trying to convert this to a metric value and it doesn't make any sense at all, because "complex" fractions like this are not used in every day life.
Oh yes, then you need to figure out if 7/16 is bigger or smaller than 3/4. No, thanks.
You can easily divide by 2 and 4 in metric, because guess what, you just add a decimal point to your measure and 10cm/4 is 2.5cm and not some crazy fraction or weird unit and the math is not harder if you're dealing with 10m as opposed to 10cm.
10cm/3 is 3.3cm or whatever the precision of your tools is. It's the same "problem" (it isn't) with dividing 1ft in 5 for example. You go by the tolerance of your tools
It's a lot easier to do things when you don't have to go "okay, what's the conversion between these two units again?". The problem isn't base 10 vs base 12, it's the fact that in SI, every unit scales in the same way (the prefixes). With imperial units, every unit scales differently. How many fl.oz to a tablespoon? No idea. How many teaspoons to a tablespoon? No idea.
I agree it's not worth the hate, but in my opinion SI units are much more convenient.
Using your own example, miles vs kilometers may not feel like a big difference, but the fact that you have proportional units (mm, cm, m, km) for any possible distance has the potential to save you a lot of trouble. Having completely different units for the same thing (land miles / nautical miles for distance), usually not proportional between them, is less practical than the SI at every level. Not only for an engineer but also for home owners and almost everyone of us.
I understand why there are some places in the world where they still use systems other than the SI, mainly for legacy reasons. But I think the practical benefits of a more coherent (and standard) unit system exist not only for the engineer.
That's fair enough. Whatever the advantages of Imperial in some narrow contexts, I'm not sure very many would argue for them absent legacy.
On the other hand, it's pretty much an academic debate because a switch isn't happening for mainstream use. The desire and political will just aren't there. The little push that once existed is essentially gone whatever some tech types might want.
I like arguing for arcane standards, and there are aspects of the imperial system I like.
Specifically, I tend to advocate for a base 12 system based arround the inch. Base 12 because the very structured multiplication table, which also makes for easy dividing. The inch because I find my lengtg estimation accuracy to be better captured by inches.
I have never used inches outside screen diagonals. Yet I still feel inches better match my accuracy. My actual accuracy in inches is horrible though, because I never get into contact with them.
I assume that 12 inches to a foot is the reason that, at least when I was growing up, we were taught multiplication tables up to 12x12 rather than 10x10.
My favourite use of units is still the „2mm Scale Association“, a British model railroad club that builds their trains at a scale or two millimeteres to the foot (which is slightly larger than the standard N-track). It always blows my mind when I try to think how people come up with a scale like that.
If you have modelmaking tools measured in mm, and a bunch of legacy dimensions of trains and buildings that are often round numbers of feet, it becomes tempting to use a scale like this. After all, you tend to get round numbers of mm to make things...
It might be convenient to make a starmap where e.g. 10 light years is 1 cm. Yes, the actual dilation factor is strange, but it's pretty easy to plot a set of cartesian coordinates measured in light years on a 1 cm grid.
4 is the average of 3 and 5, so its km value is the average of 5 and 8 (assuming the Fibonacci series to be a geometric progression as described in the tweet).
While I can do this for 4km, I can't for different values like 9km. I've done the multiply-by-1.6 thing often enough by now to be fast enough at it, so I'll likely be sticking to it. This is a cool trick nevertheless.
Or any other combination, but using a higher Fibonacci number is going to be more accurate than combining smaller ones.
Or in this case, as it's only 1 off a Fibonacci number you can convert that one and add 1.6 without multiplying it by anything (multiplying by the 1 off).
Because knowing a km is 3/5 of a mile is more useful.
It follows that a mile is 5/3 of a km. From there it's basic math. 4 * 5 is 20. 20 / 3 is 6.666...
For me, I think it’s pretty close for the numbers that are right on, and multiplying is way easier for intermediate numbers.
50->80 is one beat in my brain, it’s basically immediate because I know the first many Fibonacci numbers.
But multiplying by 1.6 is only two beats, it’s “add a half” and then “add a tenth”, each of which come just as automatically as recalling a two Fibonacci numbers. 50->75->80.
For the in-between numbers, 1.6 seems way easier. 40->60->64 is much quicker for me than averaging 50 and 80.
Yeah times 1.6 isn't too hard right? Just add 50% and 10% in succession, very easy to do in your head.
The other way around is trickier. I tend to divide by 8 (or /2/2/2) and multiply by 5, which is harder but still consists only of steps that are clearly defined in my head.
Yeah, converting via the 5/8 ratio is how I've always done it. I traveled to Florida a number of times as a kid, and for whatever reason I have a permanent memory of the speed limit signs showing "55 MPH / 88 KMH". It's weird what one's brain seems to fixate on sometimes...
I thought the same. As Australians in the US for a few months recently, I'd regularly ask my 6-7yo son to convert miles to kilometres as a test - say, 53 miles into km. Multiply by eight and divide by five (or divide by five first in cases where that was quicker). He found it straightforward enough.
I've been doing it like that as well for years. Most people you explain it (replace the number with a sum of fibonacci numbers, and for each one, take the next)
to come back with "but it becomes less accurate for larger numbers, right?". After you say "hm, no!" there's a pause, and then the penny drops: Golden ratio!
It's better for large numbers since the asymptotic property dominates. It's questionable for small numbers since then the effect of the initial condition dominates. For example, the tweet's argument works the same way for the Fibonacci sequence that goes 1,3,4,7,11,... but obviously that gives different numbers.
I had one slightly eccentric teacher who decided that the 25 and 125 times table were also necessary. While I don't know about necessary, I've definitely used that knowledge (possibly more useful to think of them as the one-quarter and one-eighth times tables with a shift).
16 would have also been useful for mi/km conversion and hex/dec conversion.
While using only additions and shifts (if we generalize) without floating point or multiplication should appeal to HN, this method uses a lookup table and calculating values needs a lot of memory accesses e.g. f(7) => f(4) + f(3) => (f(3) + f(5)) >> 2 + f(3) .
The Human Mk1 processing units are also capable of small multiplication/divisions, especially on bases 2 and 10, but bad at lookups - who thought manufacturing units with such slow memory access was a good idea??
I'd rather we play to their strengths and multiply by 1.6 (f(X) = X + X/2 + X/10 for all X) requiring only a few memory accesses. This is already as accurate as the other method. We could make it 1.61 (+ X/100) if we must be more accurate. Any floating point error should be too small to matter.
I never bought this argument, but I'm not confident about it. Isn't base 10 inherently intuitive because of the obvious reasons? IE an order of magnitude is just another 0?
Since I learned about base 2, etc, long ago, I always thought there was something magically elegant about base10 and never understood this? The explanation I've always heard, being 10 fingere, doesn't seem to explain all the elegance with base 10 being easy to work with?..?
In base 8 (if we'd had 8 fingers), an "order of magnitude" would have been defined as "times 8" instead of "times 10", so it would also be adding another 0. Same with base 12. Base 16 would have the further advantage that we could easily halve, quarter, eighth, or 16th any number ending in 0 to a whole integer (in base 10, we can only halve, fifth, or tenth).
Eh, evolution is a pretty nifty mix of oo class extensions, recursion, brute-force and bias weightings.
I'd wager Gawsh made the best system S/He could given product constraints (completely unfocused if you ask me [which I know no one did]) and the real need to deliver (take it easy over there Leibniz, the world is still crap as evidenced everywhere).
Well, my comment was partly in jest (though I do think it's by no means clear that 5 is a local optimum, thus it's quite possible that 4 or 6 would be better, and twice either would give us a better base for counting), but I'm amazed that there's actual scientific discussion of the issue. I wish to quote the most pertinent part of the article though:
> Is there really any good evidence that five, rather than, say, four or six, digits was biomechanically preferable for the common ancestor of modern tetrapods? The answer has to be "No,"
Yea you are obviously right now that I think about it, and I still have such a strong willingness to think there is something special about the number 10.
Meanwhile, there is something special about base-12, namely that the log base 2 of 3 has a really good rational approximation as 17/12, the log base 2 of 5 has a pretty good approximation as 7/3 (you can do better with 28ths).
This is the basis for the 12-tone equal temperament scale in music, and it only works if you use base-12. So if we used base-12 for our numbers then someone would have the bright idea to name all of our musical notes with numbers and we could just do a key change (or chord formation) by addition.
I mean it's not so bad. If we meet aliens there is a decent chance that they will have a base-9 counting system in balanced ternary: so their digits would be -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4. Rather than prefixing negatives with a minute sign, maybe negation would flip a number top-to-bottom.
Base 10 is intuitive because we are taught to work in base 10. If we worked in base 7, then multiplication by seven would be just another 0. (And if we worked in base 7, we would probably have defined “an order of magnitude” to be a multiplication by 7, rather than 10).
Though probably a base with a couple convenient small factors is useful. Especially 2, since parity (even/odd) is so useful.
Past cultures thought even more factors were good, e.g. sexagesimal with 2, 2, 3, and 5. It means that e.g. the expansion of 1/3rd and 1/6th don't form a repeating fraction in sexagesimal notation.
I’m convinced base 12 would be far superior to base 10. It has four common factors: 6, 4, 3 and 2, rather than just one. This would make handling common whole number fractions in place value form much easier. It’s also easy to count to 12 on one hand - just point to your finger bones with your thumb. That way with two hands you can count all the way up to 24 (in base 10 equivalent).
So you know how you can tell if something is a multiple of 2 or 5 based on the last digit? & all those shortcuts you get with multiplying by 5? For base 12 you'll lose that, but then get to do it for multiples of 2,3,4,6
You are correct that "10" is a very special number, as long as you don't assume that it can only mean "ten".
In fact, every number base is base "10" when you interpret the "10" in that base.
Try it:
10 binary is two.
10 octal is eight.
10 hexadecimal is sixteen.
This is the very definition of a number base: it is the multiplier that you represent by appending "0" to a string of numeric characters in that base.
So that is where the fundamental and special nature of "10" comes from; it's not because it happens to mean "ten" in our customary number base.
Ten is nothing special, "10" is. "10" is simply the way you write N where N is whatever number base you're working in. It's just as special in every number base!
p.s. I'm sorry you were downvoted so heavily for asking an honest question. You can't be the only one who has wondered about this, and your question led to an interesting discussion.
That is nice of you to provide such a well-written answer, and a human response at the end.
Your reasoning seems quite obvious now with hindsight after having given it some thought; and yet, even still I have such a strong inclination that ".........." is a special number? Why? I guess it really is entirely my cognitive bias, because I can't find a reason for it.
But I should have known better as I've--probably obviously being a user here--encounteted binary more than just a few times. And even still, it never occurred to me that 10 in binary is just ".." And then 100 in binary is 1 order of magnitude of "..," 4. And 1,000 is just two orders of magntiude, 8. But still, intuitively this does not seem as natural as 10, and I guess that is completely cognitive bias.
Am I retarded to not have realized this? Maybe, but I actually was so curious about this that I tried to quiz some colleagues by asking what 1000 and 1001 is in binary and only one person got it right immediately, probably by understanding orders of magnitude and not by rote memorization. All the others got it by counting in binary, and one final person was annoyed and questioned why I was asking about binary (oops, sometimes being inquisitive is not socially acceptable). By the way, I work with app developers, most of whom do not have backgrounds in computer science, same as myself.
It seems you are inutitively always converting everything to the decimal system and taking that as "the way" to think about numbers. That wouldn't be surprising, because we are brought up this way and even our language focusses on the decimal system. Not having good words to speak about the binary number 1101001 makes it difficult to think about it without converting it first. Two (I'm decimal again!) isn't a good base for human communication because there is a lot of repitition of simple symbols. Maybe a new way to pronounce hex numbers like a17c03 would be able to replace the decimal system.
Meh. Every 10F difference is a bit under 5C difference (since the ratio is 9:5). So you can estimate that 40F~5C, 50F=10C, 60F~15C, etc. All I remember is 2:1 and 32F=0C.
I find it helpful to do similar, but mine is fuzzier and tied to day-to-day activities. I am a gross farenheit user, so this is my mental table for cross reference
-42|-42: 9th layer of hell
0|32: freezing point
10-15: maybe think about a jacket
20-25: room temp
37|98: body temp
50: death valley
100|212: boiling
It's not precise, except for some intersection points, but it sticks well for me and allows me to be conversational enough to impress metric-folks when I convert my temps to rough Celsius for them. It's rare to need precise temp in conversation.
I use "double and add 30" (or "minus 30 and halve" for F->C). The accuracy isn't that great, but it's within single digits between freezing and boiling. More than good enough to parse "oh my god it was like 40 degrees outside" as being a meaningful statement about the weather.
If you want to get fancy, you can call it the Taylor approximation.
I'm a bit lazy so I try to use the F(c)= 2 * c + 32 approximation described in a sibling comment, but for the range of human-friendly temperatures the error is too big. The problem is not the absolute difference, but how each temperature feels. So I have to resort to making the exact calculation or using Google for the conversion. I'll try your method in the future.
Just go back 10% after computing 2C and the result is exact. If you don't want to deal with non-integers, round to the nearest integer when taking 10%. The final result will be the exact result rounded to the nearest integer.
I've seen people do the going back 10% before the doubling. That's fine if you are not going to round. If you are going to round, take off the 10% after the doubling or you could end up off by up to 1℉ for the final rounded amount.
For example, 26℃ with rounding after -> 52 - 5 + 32 = 79℉ (78.8℉ exact). With rounding before it goes -> (26 - 3) + 32 = 78℉.
37°C (not 38): 37 is a prime, and a centered hexagonal number, if you need some facts to hang your memory on. It's only approximate (same for °F where 98.6 is now seen as "normal"). "Normal" temperature depends on where on the body you measure anyway.
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Fₙ in ≈ Fₙ₊₂ cm
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In temperature couple of degrees means a lot.
5' 7" -> 5 * 12 + 7 inches -> 67 inches -> 1 metre 27 inches -> 1 metre 67 centimetres
Which isn't quite right, but is close-ish! And not really easy enough to call a shortcut either!
1.1 yard per m or 1yd and 4in.
A foot is 30cm.
An inch is 2.5cm.
4in per 10cm.
2m is 6ft 8in =180+20=2m
5f 4in is 150+10=1.6m
1.6m is 3ft 4in + 24in=5ft 4in
Even converting to and back isn't bad... work in a machine shop for a while and it will be second nature. Also metric/standard tools do not cross the line on the floor, only you and the work piece on different pieces of equipment. 25um looks like a mil, but it's not!
It's 30.5•(a+b/12) understood as about 1.015•10•(3a+b/4).
So I am 6’4”, that becomes 18+1=19, so I am about 190cm. Adding between 1-2% gives me that I am between 192cm and 194cm. I know I am on the lower end of 6’4” (maybe 6’ 3.75”) so I usually report 192cm.
kg x2 + 10% = lbs
lbs /2 - 10% = kg
I've yet to find a fast one for C to F temp conversions though. It takes a bit longer to do the 9/5-5/9 + or - equation in your head.
Brain is surprisingly good at doubling, tripling and halving operations.
And visually added zero is quite easy too.
I'm surprised this is faster than adding half of the original number.
It's 1(n) + 6(n)/10 since we're using base 10. For example, 5mi to ~8km: 1(5) + 6(5)/10 = 5 + 30/10 or 5 + 3.
Who the hell needs all this .. Get lost [angry emoji]
Never mind the fact that SI is generally used for engineering and other areas where it has legitimate advantages (which miles vs. kilometers doesn't really in day-to-day life).
We can't really know to what category this one belongs to.
Except when it isn't? Are you telling me SI is used in engineering everywhere in the US? I've heard too many stories (especially accidents) to believe that in any way.
Now, in Europe (excluding the UK) they also still use some weird units from the past. Calories for example, and horse (!!) power.
Pounds are one of the real bugbears of imperial in mechanical engineering with lb-f and slugs (i.e. "pounds" conflates mass and weight). Always hated that. I'd convert things to metric and then convert back when I had to work in Imperial.
And I still hear stones from time to time in the UK if you really want archaic.
They're given in N/m^2, but all the petrol station machines are in PSI, probably because the numbers just fall better.
But you're right that is sort of a weird unit from the past insofar as it's related to the SI system but isn't formally part of it. (It's basically now defined by its ratio to joules.)
Standard units are much more useful in carpentry. It's a lot easier when you can divide by 2,3,4, and 6.
Also, although not strictly a debate around metric, the Fahrenheit scale gives you more granularity without going to decimals and requires less use of negative numbers on a day to day basis. And, if one is really concerned about a scientifically relevant temperature scale, we'd be using Kelvin, not Celsius.
My point is that if you want to use a "correct" scientific measurement on a day to day basis you'd use Kelvin. As soon as you're converting, you're converting whether from Celsius or Fahrenheit.
ADDED: There's an argument for Celsius vs. Fahrenheit of course in so far as the size of the degree is baked into some other SI measurements. But there's no particular other reason that Celsius is superior on a day to day basis other than familiarity for some. There's some logic to basing easy to remember numerical points around water properties but it's not clear that actually has a lot of advantages for day-to-day questions about how hot or how cold it is.
Can anyone provide any reason to use Fahrenheit scale, apart from historical ones? Legit question.
1. Fahrenheit is far more likely to cover the range of temperatures I encounter without having to use negative numbers. 0 is really cold. Anything below zero is really freaking cold. The temperature of the boiling point of water is mostly an academic point in my day to day life.
2. Fahrenheit provides about 2x the granularity of Celsius without having to use decimals
I'm not going to argue that if Fahrenheit didn't exist, we'd invent it. But it does have some advantages as an existing system.
ADDED: For engineering using SI units, of course Celsius and Kelvin make a lot more sense.
All the makers are talking about "5/16 of an inch" and I'm trying to convert this to a metric value and it doesn't make any sense at all, because "complex" fractions like this are not used in every day life.
You can easily divide by 2 and 4 in metric, because guess what, you just add a decimal point to your measure and 10cm/4 is 2.5cm and not some crazy fraction or weird unit and the math is not harder if you're dealing with 10m as opposed to 10cm.
10cm/3 is 3.3cm or whatever the precision of your tools is. It's the same "problem" (it isn't) with dividing 1ft in 5 for example. You go by the tolerance of your tools
Using your own example, miles vs kilometers may not feel like a big difference, but the fact that you have proportional units (mm, cm, m, km) for any possible distance has the potential to save you a lot of trouble. Having completely different units for the same thing (land miles / nautical miles for distance), usually not proportional between them, is less practical than the SI at every level. Not only for an engineer but also for home owners and almost everyone of us.
I understand why there are some places in the world where they still use systems other than the SI, mainly for legacy reasons. But I think the practical benefits of a more coherent (and standard) unit system exist not only for the engineer.
On the other hand, it's pretty much an academic debate because a switch isn't happening for mainstream use. The desire and political will just aren't there. The little push that once existed is essentially gone whatever some tech types might want.
Specifically, I tend to advocate for a base 12 system based arround the inch. Base 12 because the very structured multiplication table, which also makes for easy dividing. The inch because I find my lengtg estimation accuracy to be better captured by inches.
If you have modelmaking tools measured in mm, and a bunch of legacy dimensions of trains and buildings that are often round numbers of feet, it becomes tempting to use a scale like this. After all, you tend to get round numbers of mm to make things...
It might be convenient to make a starmap where e.g. 10 light years is 1 cm. Yes, the actual dilation factor is strange, but it's pretty easy to plot a set of cartesian coordinates measured in light years on a 1 cm grid.
While I can do this for 4km, I can't for different values like 9km. I've done the multiply-by-1.6 thing often enough by now to be fast enough at it, so I'll likely be sticking to it. This is a cool trick nevertheless.
9 is 8 + 1, so that's 8->13 + 1*1.6 = 14.6
Or any other combination, but using a higher Fibonacci number is going to be more accurate than combining smaller ones.
Or in this case, as it's only 1 off a Fibonacci number you can convert that one and add 1.6 without multiplying it by anything (multiplying by the 1 off).
3 miles ~=5km
1 mile = 1.6km
So 5km + 1.6km ~= 6.6km
Because knowing a km is 3/5 of a mile is more useful. It follows that a mile is 5/3 of a km. From there it's basic math. 4 * 5 is 20. 20 / 3 is 6.666...
50->80 is one beat in my brain, it’s basically immediate because I know the first many Fibonacci numbers.
But multiplying by 1.6 is only two beats, it’s “add a half” and then “add a tenth”, each of which come just as automatically as recalling a two Fibonacci numbers. 50->75->80.
For the in-between numbers, 1.6 seems way easier. 40->60->64 is much quicker for me than averaging 50 and 80.
The other way around is trickier. I tend to divide by 8 (or /2/2/2) and multiply by 5, which is harder but still consists only of steps that are clearly defined in my head.
Easy peasy.
Anyway, I can't remember where I learned it.
Relevant xk: https://xkcd.com/1047/
16 would have also been useful for mi/km conversion and hex/dec conversion.
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The Golden Ratio squared is 2.618 which is pretty close to 2.54.
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The Human Mk1 processing units are also capable of small multiplication/divisions, especially on bases 2 and 10, but bad at lookups - who thought manufacturing units with such slow memory access was a good idea??
I'd rather we play to their strengths and multiply by 1.6 (f(X) = X + X/2 + X/10 for all X) requiring only a few memory accesses. This is already as accurate as the other method. We could make it 1.61 (+ X/100) if we must be more accurate. Any floating point error should be too small to matter.
How does those numbers look in base 8 or 12.
Since I learned about base 2, etc, long ago, I always thought there was something magically elegant about base10 and never understood this? The explanation I've always heard, being 10 fingere, doesn't seem to explain all the elegance with base 10 being easy to work with?..?
I'd wager Gawsh made the best system S/He could given product constraints (completely unfocused if you ask me [which I know no one did]) and the real need to deliver (take it easy over there Leibniz, the world is still crap as evidenced everywhere).
Anyway, can't knock it 'til you've built it.
This is an interesting article: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-most-speci...
> Is there really any good evidence that five, rather than, say, four or six, digits was biomechanically preferable for the common ancestor of modern tetrapods? The answer has to be "No,"
This is the basis for the 12-tone equal temperament scale in music, and it only works if you use base-12. So if we used base-12 for our numbers then someone would have the bright idea to name all of our musical notes with numbers and we could just do a key change (or chord formation) by addition.
Seven fingers.
Base 11 is the natural base for a ten fingered person: Base 11 has a distinct symbol for ten, base 10 does not.
[A prime base has quite a few practical disadvantages... and their advantages are fairly esoteric...]
Past cultures thought even more factors were good, e.g. sexagesimal with 2, 2, 3, and 5. It means that e.g. the expansion of 1/3rd and 1/6th don't form a repeating fraction in sexagesimal notation.
In fact, every number base is base "10" when you interpret the "10" in that base.
Try it:
10 binary is two.
10 octal is eight.
10 hexadecimal is sixteen.
This is the very definition of a number base: it is the multiplier that you represent by appending "0" to a string of numeric characters in that base.
So that is where the fundamental and special nature of "10" comes from; it's not because it happens to mean "ten" in our customary number base.
Ten is nothing special, "10" is. "10" is simply the way you write N where N is whatever number base you're working in. It's just as special in every number base!
p.s. I'm sorry you were downvoted so heavily for asking an honest question. You can't be the only one who has wondered about this, and your question led to an interesting discussion.
Your reasoning seems quite obvious now with hindsight after having given it some thought; and yet, even still I have such a strong inclination that ".........." is a special number? Why? I guess it really is entirely my cognitive bias, because I can't find a reason for it.
But I should have known better as I've--probably obviously being a user here--encounteted binary more than just a few times. And even still, it never occurred to me that 10 in binary is just ".." And then 100 in binary is 1 order of magnitude of "..," 4. And 1,000 is just two orders of magntiude, 8. But still, intuitively this does not seem as natural as 10, and I guess that is completely cognitive bias.
Am I retarded to not have realized this? Maybe, but I actually was so curious about this that I tried to quiz some colleagues by asking what 1000 and 1001 is in binary and only one person got it right immediately, probably by understanding orders of magnitude and not by rote memorization. All the others got it by counting in binary, and one final person was annoyed and questioned why I was asking about binary (oops, sometimes being inquisitive is not socially acceptable). By the way, I work with app developers, most of whom do not have backgrounds in computer science, same as myself.
I did say I was imprecise, though (;
I'm a bit lazy so I try to use the F(c)= 2 * c + 32 approximation described in a sibling comment, but for the range of human-friendly temperatures the error is too big. The problem is not the absolute difference, but how each temperature feels. So I have to resort to making the exact calculation or using Google for the conversion. I'll try your method in the future.
Example: 22℃ -> 44 - 4 + 32 -> 72℉. (Exact is 71.6℉)
Example: 23℃ -> 46 - 5 + 32 -> 73℉. (Exact is 73.2℉)
I've seen people do the going back 10% before the doubling. That's fine if you are not going to round. If you are going to round, take off the 10% after the doubling or you could end up off by up to 1℉ for the final rounded amount.
For example, 26℃ with rounding after -> 52 - 5 + 32 = 79℉ (78.8℉ exact). With rounding before it goes -> (26 - 3) + 32 = 78℉.
Just had a flashback - my mum giving me a comparably helpful mnemonic about four decades ago: 16 (c) ~= 61 (f).
That, along with human body temperature (38C ~= 98F) have stuck, and between them I can guesstimate most numbers in between on the foreign (F) scale.