If you are a grown adult, coyotes aren't that dangerous or scary.
They aren't very big. They will attack small pets and children that are alone, but they typically leave adult humans alone.
I used to go for six mile walks in the High Desert for exercise. I routinely ran into coyotes. They never bothered me.
I did tell my children to not go out alone at night. There had been two or three attacks on children in the previous five years.
I have a dog phobia due to things that happened when I was about four years old. I'm not similarly afraid of coyotes.
Of course, I wouldn't want to run into a large pack in the dark either. They can and will take down deer as a pack and did so sometimes within earshot of my tent when I was homeless.
So, I mean, don't be stupidly cavalier, but lone coyotes are known to not be particularly dangerous to adult humans.
This makes me very happy. I wonder if we could some day come up with some way to coexist with nature instead of blindly blanketing it with asphalt and concrete.
Coyotes have already done an excellent job of coexisting with humans. They are one of the most successful species at adapting to human civilization. Pigeons, rats, roaches, etc. also quite successful.
They are even pretty regularly seen around Toronto still.
Normally they're just fine. They prefer to keep distance, but it's best to keep an eye. Any bold behaviour usually means they're hungry, which can lead to desperation.
haha-- i've heard this in reference to raccoons many times, and i've always wondered: what kinds of things to raccoons get up to that earn them such a universal designation (condemnation?)? like, surely even though a coyote technically doesn't impose (much of) a physical threat, it is more threatening than a raccoon... i do know that they are terribly fond of pulling lids off trash cans, etc., so i assume the annoyance power has at least something to do with it?
they're super cute, but will claw and bite you viciously if threatened. there used to be a couple in my neighborhood in LA and i'd hear them fighting sometimes (when not raiding trash cans). they're also a rabies vector. but generally, they'll leave you alone if you leave them alone.
Do you mean LA as in Los Angeles or as in Louisiana?
If it is Los Angeles, then rabies from raccoons is not really a worry. The raccoon rabies reservoir in the United States is just in populations in the southeastern, mid-Atlantic, and northeastern states.
that video is funny and very cute. but yes, los angeles, and that's good to know.
growing up out in the country taught me to not worry too much about wild animals generally, but that any animal can be dangerous under stress (including humans!).
> Coyotes have already done an excellent job of coexisting with humans
I have only seen them being 'successful' if are large tracts of land around the cities that they can live at. Would they be able to live in, say, Manhattan?
If not, as we expand the urban sprawl, they might become less successful...
And coyotes are not the only species we should be worried about.
Manhattan is quite the edge case. It's one of the densest areas on the planet. I don't think that's a good model for development. Sprawl in the U.S. is more of the suburban variety and there coyotes do thrive quite well. They don't even need large tracts of land. They are fully capable of burrowing in little pockets of green space. See: https://urbancoyoteresearch.com/coyote-info/general-informat...
I thought the whole point of complaints about "sprawl" was that suburbs are bad and "urbs" are good. The suburbs are prime habitat for a lot of creatures including coyotes, especially because they don't have to worry about hunters.
Coyotes are very common in Dallas. I've seen then in the park 2 miles from downtown Dallas. Dallas is a concrete suburban hell for ~30 miles in all directions.
Dogs were domesticated by hanging out near humans. Seems like Coyotes are following the same general pattern from thousands of years ago.
A disturbing story I heard when living in Russia in my childhood was that if you see a wild animal in the city, it means that beasts have ran out of trash and waste to eat, and are getting more riskier, and you shouldn't be coming close to them unless you want to be eaten.
There's truth to that in the sense that most wild animals will avoid humans if they can. And, if you can get close to them, there's often something else wrong (maybe the animal is sick, etc.).
You have some rather bigger beasties running around in Russia than I'll ever see here.
I live in a small town in the SW of England, UK called Yeovil pop. 45,000. We have loads of foxes and badgers. Foxes seem roughly comparable to a coyote. I regularly see foxes here and not just in the parks. I do live rather close to a lot of park as well as the town so that helps.
Sadly the badgers in Somerset seem to be suicidal and shoot themselves before jumping over hedges into a road. That's before, during and after an official cull to try and avert TB in cattle. Science ... lol.
London has a lot of foxes; as a child a pair used to come through the garden of my home only to be chased out by our cat, which I thought was quite impressive of the cat.
Until, talking to a friend the grew up in Newfoundland that casually mentioned, to echo your parent comment, "From time to time, we had polar bears. Don't get close to a polar bear."
I grew up in the rural deserts of Eastern California where coyotes are abundant, and never directly saw one once. Just the occasional rustling in the brushes and darting glances, and sometimes the flick of a glowing eye.
And then I come to San Francisco and one just walks past me and sniffs my hand while I'm going to the 7-11. Didn't even register that it wasn't just a dog until it had walked past.
It's crazy how much more comfortable around humans animals become in urban environments.
Last summer my wife and I took pictures of one in a parking lot in the 3400 block of Avenue of the Cities, Moline, IL... middle of downtown, a mile south of the Mississippi.
Anecdotally, I think they have better instincts for how to stay concealed in natural environments. Wildcats are the same way. Bobcats are everywhere in the lower 48 of the US, but most people have never seen one, and may not even be aware that they're around.
In the late 90s, I was going to college in northern Arizona, and had summer tires on my car when there was a rare snowfall. A coyote decided to cross the road in front of me, I wouldn't say "dart", but more expecting me to slow for it. When I demonstrated I had no traction by touching my brakes, it reacted to the sound of my tires sliding by promptly stepping out of the way.
Over the past few years I've seen the odd pheasant within ten minutes walk of the centre of Basingstoke as well as the occasional deer sprinting across the ring road dual carriageway.
Hopefully we all get to see more wildlife as life quietens down a little and, at least in the UK, we can be sure not to encounter anything even remotely dangerous.
We're not far from the edge of town and the fields, and it's common to see pheasants out there but not where I saw that one, which was quite a distance from there.
The same thing is happening in Barcelona but with boars coming from the forests outside the city, seems to have no correlation with the lock-down/quarantine that is happening (streets of Barcelona are basically empty right now, except for ambulances, police and delivery services) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/04/wild-boar-sigh...
I once did a night "hike" up to Tibidabo. This wasn't organized or anything, just a few friends and I took a commuter train out of the city to the base of the mountain, semi-stranding ourselves. Then we walked up to the top, slept outside on the hilltop and enjoyed the sunrise the next morning.
Tibidabo has an amusement park and a cathedral, so there was a night security guard who was very confused by the 4-5 tourists hanging out outside his gate at night, although he didn't complain much.
The relevant bit here though is that on the walk up the mountain, we saw more than one wild boar out on the roadside, including a whole family. It was unexpected and frightening.
Berlin is full of them. They roam the parks and streets at night, but are generally harmless (back away if they have piglets with them) and most annoyingly will dig over gardens if the fence is insufficient.
Coyotes come out after dark. It takes about 20 minutes for them to figure out people aren't around. Mangy jerks.
Once I was walking through some brush in a city park in Calgary, AB and a siren went by. The whole area around me lit up with howling. Little unnerving, although coyotes are pretty cowardly out West (in the East they've interbred with wolves and will once in a blue moon take a hiker down).
Here in southern Ontario the coyotes are still pretty cowardly. I live rural (but close to town) and I might see them from 100 feet away before they skitishly run off. Except for one time there was one that brazenly marched down our driveway in broad daylight. Not sure how long that one lived for, never saw it again...
The ones in town are a bit less shy.
What's strange is last night our chickens were attacked by an eastern red fox. Usually they're super skittish and shy around humans, but as I (along with 3 other people) was rescuing my rooster from under a car, this one kept circling around, thinking he was going to get his prey back from us. Not scared at all.
(FWIW roosters are amazing animals... this one seems to have charged the fox to get it to drop one of the hens, and then fought with it and decoyed it away from the hens a good 200 feet down to the road, then it hid under a car of some people who passed by and witnessed this all happening and stopped. All birds survived, just missing some feathers. Rooster gets lots of treats today.)
Here in Santiago, Chile, where many neighborhoods are in complete lockdown, a wild Puma was seen roaming the streets[1]. This was their natural habitat before the city was established, and many of them still live in the mountains, which are not far from the busiest streets of Santiago.
I used to live in Olympia before living in Seattle and wash pretty shocked to see a coyote casualty walking down the street one morning when I was drinking coffee. Turns out it is pretty normal.
I live south of San Jose up against the mountains and our neighbors will post pictures once in a while of mountain lions drinking out of the swimming pools in their back yards. It’s more common in bad drought years.
The "earth is healing, we are the virus" narrative is overblown (and ecofascistic), but it's good to remember that humans are not special. We push other life forms out of our spaces, but many of those life forms continue a marginal existence. The end of humanity would not be the end of life and being reminded of that is a useful check on our tendency to put ourselves at the center of "the" world (instead of just the center of our world).
Taking comfort in the potential extinction of humanity because at least there would be some non-sapient critters still around strikes me as an odd value system. Couldn't you make the analogous argument that the extinction of all life on Earth would be fine since it would have absolutely no effect on the vast majority of the universe?
If you assume humans are not unique in the universe, you're immediately confronted with the Fermi paradox. If the universe is filled with sapient life, wouldn't some of that sapient life be hundreds of thousands of years ahead of us--a tiny amount of time on the astronomical timescale, but more than enough for them to be observable in some way? Ultimately we're left with the unsatisfying task of speculating without evidence, at least for now.
It could be that life at our current level is more observable to life at our current level than more advanced life would be. The "Dark Forest" hypothesis from 三体 would be one explanation, but even that isn't required. It could be that advanced life can better meet its needs via technology that we can't sense. That was certainly plausible before we could broadcast over the electromagnetic field, which wasn't so long ago. Perhaps it is still plausible, because we're still missing out on something important.
That's not true: given enough time decomposing organic material will create new oil reserves, while all the metals excavated are still right here on the surface of the Earth used every day by us (cars, phones, ...) and ready to re-enter the surface once we are done using them.
I'm not sure I follow. How is it gone? We have fusion (solar) and fission. And we may find out how to more directly harness energy as we progress. I think our access to energy is limited by our lack of knowledge.
I agree though, we should get out on some new space vessels soon to buy some insurance and project ourselves into the far future.
If we go extinct, the next intelligent species (if there is one) won’t have the easy reserves we used to get started. You can’t jump directly from fire to fusion.
I don't take comfort in the potential extinction of humanity!
Surely we recognize that living things exist independent and outside of us without needing to lessen our own existence.
>Couldn't you make the analogous argument that the extinction of all life on Earth would be fine since it would have absolutely no effect on the vast majority of the universe?
even leaving out monkeys and apes, i think other animals like for example racoons can make it to the "sapient" level with time if humans would "release" the space back to the Nature. And i think we have only very slightest idea about birds and insects. Cro-Magnon has been i'd say a version 0.7 of sapience with major bugs and broken&missing features, and i'd not be surprised if the Nature had other versions in the works.
That's entirely possible. But sapience isn't necessarily adaptive. Ancient humans combined sapience with other traits like endurance, dexterity, overhand throwing ability, and social instincts to carve out an ecological niche long enough to reap the benefits of culture. Removing any one of those factors would have made prehistoric humans unviable.
If I was going to bet on non-human sapience, though, I'd go with crows. Intelligence seems to be most effective if you combine it with social instincts to create culture. Crows do this already.
Humanity has an outsized impact on the world (natural and artificial). Our influence has impacted nearly all the ecological niches on earth. That said, assigning moral agency to me (or you) for that depends on a series of logical connections between ways of being and the human impact on the world.
We each choose (somewhat - hard to choose to be born in the first world) how we live, but individuals have limited agency for what "humanity" does as a whole. It's all well and good to say "humans bad" (and I don't totally disagree?), but that perspective has been out there for a while and humans are still doing the bad things. Seems like we should search for different approaches.
Our concept of “world” includes and subsumes any animal concept of “world”. Chimpanzees may think of local forest as “the world” but our “world” includes their forest. This, compared to any other non-human species on earth, we are the center of “the” world.
In addition, our actions determine the fates of non-human species much more than their actions our fates.
What if humans are special, and help hold ecosystems together? We know of some, like the great plains and the redwood forests, where lack of human management leads to ecosystem breakdown.
That doesn't make humans special. Ecosystems are defined by the interrelations of many actors. The fact that humans are huge, impactful actors matters, but doesn't make them unique.
Also recall that humans, as an invasive species, can be adept at destroying ecosystems. There's a big, interlocking series of forests in South America, for instance, that gets a lot of attention, but that's hardly the only example.
We are able to recognize, anticipate and avert ecological collapse. No other animal can do this. The rest of the animal kingdom can only adapt, at best.
I think you both overstate human understanding of ecological systems and desire to maintain them.
Humans mostly tend to radically reshape local ecosystems for their own ends, at times collapsing them.
Aside from some very local remediation successes here and there (which are more repair jobs than preservation), I'm unaware of any evidence that humans have "recognized, anticipated and averted" any of note.
Farming and agriculture is ecological creation on a grand scale, and responsible for much of human flourishing, along with the animals and plants we cultivate.
Agriculture is an activity, not an ecosystem. Humans are but one element of the ecosystems in which they exist, and their flourishing is relevant only insofar as it preserves systemic viability.
Farms are inherently unstable - the 'system' is missing. From an ecological perspective, they're no more an ecosystem than you'd get if you released a bunch of random animals in your house. You'd have a new 'system' that lasts until they die.
That's just a semantic argument. Humans have an ability no other organism has to create and maintain biological systems. It is the only thing that could possibly save an ecosystem from collapse. If humans are eliminated, then so is this ability.
this is a guaranteed-fail way of introducing this topic IMHO, at a critical point in history.. please avoid "landmine" or "hot button" phrases discussing massive topics !
I fail to see how "ecofascistic" does not fly apart into its mutually repellant components. Fascism is strongly tied to modernity and modernism. It is the polar opposite of allowing nature to overtake cities. Intentional decline is decadence, which is expressly opposed by fascist ideology.
As an early morning runner in SF, I see coyotes in SF every week or two, including at Twin peaks as mentioned in the article. One morning in Golden Gate Park I warned a few people walkings dogs since there were about 4 coyotes around the corner.
From my first hand experience, I'd assume any wooded area with cover in SF has a coyote living there.
Not only that, many SF parks have signs warning about this, even years before the pandemic.
That they would wander out of the wooded areas is no shock. A couple years ago I saw one strolling along the sidewalk in the Presidio not far from Main Post, acting more or less the same way a tourist would.
I took the opportunity to visit Glen Canyon Park last time I was in San Francisco, after a local recommended to me, and it was a wonderful interlude in my visit; they had signs up noting that there would be coyotes about at twilight; alas I was there mid-day and didn't get to see them.
I did, however, get to see hummingbirds for the first (and so far only) time in my life.
That’s a great place for hikes. It’s got a seasonal creek and small wetlands. They’ve got signs posted about the local wildlife you can expect see. It’s a shame dogs aren’t limited to a given area as they drive away some wildlife.
Nextdoor is essentially a nationwide service for people to share coyote sightings in their neighborhood. No matter where they are, people won't shut up about them.
Coyotes are pretty adapted to city living. I know in my city (Vancouver) they are not uncommon to see, even in some pretty densely populated areas of town. I once had one walk right in front of me in a residential area one night, it wandered by so casually that I was sure it was a dog until I was about 5 feet from it.
Reading the comments just above I was just thinking of commenting the same thing for Vancouver, which is why I don't see the big issue with a sighting. In Vancouver when I lived there, they were almost a daily thing even in very urban areas far from a larger forest, and frequently ate pets too. Skunks too. Skunks everywhere and quite brazen for all their fat, waddly slowness.
What advice do you have for dealing with coyotes when jogging? I've learned the hard way that running away tends to trigger their fight-or-flight reflex, which isn't good.
They've never bothered me, I treat them like any other wild animal, give them a wide berth, let them be, don't trap them, and don't turn my back on them. Normally they're going somewhere, and just let them go there.
I worry about people with dogs since dogs can easily chase a coyote, corner it then get bitten or eaten if it's small enough.
Keep in mind stricter climate controls wouldn’t even hurt the economy this bad. A harsh carbon tax on all fossil fuels in exchange for COVID-19 to disappear to be gone would be a welcome relief to the economy.
With ya on this one, but what kinds of problems would this cause for people who don't have another option to get to work? Un-doing this ridiculous culture of driving 40 minutes to work will take a lot time.
Still, I wholeheartedly agree on the concept. I'm curious as to how to fix the followup problems that will occur from fixing the primary problem.
This helps, but it seems vanishingly unlikely that both spouses will always be able to find good jobs in the same neighborhood for as long as their kids are in school.
Honestly, a grotesque carbon tax of 300% on a barrel of oil would only put prices back to where they were before the Russia/Saudi dump.
You’ll find that people will adapt quite quickly as the price ramps up (we can smear over a year if we need to). Carpooling, switching to electric, or just getting a closer job will all suddenly seem very feasible when the numbers are concrete.
That's true, but I think the point is: people will witness first-hand how reducing pollution and emissions leads to much better environment in the span of weeks.
I also hope that there will be some dip in relevant global climate measurements, so there will be something to point to and say: "here's direct empirical evidence that climate change is man-made and that reducing emissions helps mitigate it".
This thread seems to be confusing climate change / carbon (dioxide) with local pollution.
climate change / carbon (dioxide) and carbon taxes are about long-term temperature change due to C02 concentration and the effects of that. COVID-19 isn't changing that in 1 year.
Local pollution is caused by burning gasoline and factory smoke.
I was talking both. They're related - local pollution does local damage to the environment; climate change is bad because it does damage to the environment everywhere simultaneously.
I don't expect COVID-19 to show up too strongly in temperature graphs, but I hope some of its effects show up somewhere with large enough effect size that we have a statistically significant dip in the chart to point to as direct evidence that human activity is causing this, and changes are meaningful to fixing it.
because environments everywhere have adapted to a rhythm of temperature that will no longer exist due to global warming. a good definition of damage is "harmful change."
Walking around my neighborhood and the silence is absolutely sublime. Airplanes, cars, highway noise, all diminished. The birds and chirps and friendly "Hellos" are amplified. It's bee n marvelous.
That reminds me about stories of people trying to record nature untouched by man-made sounds.
It has become increasingly difficult to find locations which are purely nature. I wonder how much easier it has become since the number of people generating "work noise" has fallen so much?
Maybe in Europe, but in the US there is a ridiculous amount of untouched space a <20 miles from almost every major city with the exception of California and the north east.
Surprisingly, this isn't really true (as far as noise is concerned). Noise pollution travels far, and if you're using sensitive equipment, you can easily pick up the noise of planes flying nearby at 30,000 ft.
This is highly dubious. Logging roads might be considered "roads" but some are passable only by heavy equipment. If you have to stop and repair the road every few hundred meters then I don't think it counts as a road.
If you ever go camping far out in the wilderness you will realise how hard it is to get away from human noise at night. The sound of planes flying overhead is almost constant over the entire continental US, even in desolate and wild areas.
Maybe the Colorado Rocky Mountains are different, but they don’t have plane noise like that outside of the corridor the interstate follows, which the planes also mostly follow.
It definitely looks like there are some larger plane traffic gaps out that way compared to here in the midwest, but if you look at a live map (https://www.flightradar24.com/41.21,-101.72/6 ) they are still flying over even the remote areas pretty frequently unfortunately.
In Berkeley we have these, plus bobcats, foxes, and mountain lions. One of the interesting things about California is that even though humans have stepped all over the ecology of the American West, that hasn't been going on long enough to extirpate literally every wild species. Compared to places that have been settled for 1000s of years, California can seem wild.
When I was living in Daly City I saw them regularly if I went for a night walk in the Lake Merced area close to the Olympic or Thornton park. I once went pass one on the other side of the street, he glanced at me but was more interested in inspecting a trash bin. They usually ran away.
Plenty of raccoons too. For some reason those are more comfortable around people. One night I met one walking towards me on the sidewalk. First I thought it was a fat cat. I stepped aside as he strolled by me, he stopped, gave me a greeting stare and proceeded on his business.
There have been several reports going back at least a few months of a coyote wandering around Noe Valley at dusk, I think around 25th & Sanchez or that general area.
So this isn’t new although perhaps more are venturing out for longer periods of time due to the streets being emptier.
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I used to go for six mile walks in the High Desert for exercise. I routinely ran into coyotes. They never bothered me.
I did tell my children to not go out alone at night. There had been two or three attacks on children in the previous five years.
I have a dog phobia due to things that happened when I was about four years old. I'm not similarly afraid of coyotes.
Of course, I wouldn't want to run into a large pack in the dark either. They can and will take down deer as a pack and did so sometimes within earshot of my tent when I was homeless.
So, I mean, don't be stupidly cavalier, but lone coyotes are known to not be particularly dangerous to adult humans.
This is an important qualifier; they are not always alone.
So thank you for pulling that out and highlighting it.
Normally they're just fine. They prefer to keep distance, but it's best to keep an eye. Any bold behaviour usually means they're hungry, which can lead to desperation.
Them and raccoons, those devils.
(they're so _cute_ though!... xD)
If it is Los Angeles, then rabies from raccoons is not really a worry. The raccoon rabies reservoir in the United States is just in populations in the southeastern, mid-Atlantic, and northeastern states.
Raccoons can be downright creepy, though, in the right circumstances: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW-6MxobUeU
growing up out in the country taught me to not worry too much about wild animals generally, but that any animal can be dangerous under stress (including humans!).
I have only seen them being 'successful' if are large tracts of land around the cities that they can live at. Would they be able to live in, say, Manhattan?
If not, as we expand the urban sprawl, they might become less successful... And coyotes are not the only species we should be worried about.
Dogs were domesticated by hanging out near humans. Seems like Coyotes are following the same general pattern from thousands of years ago.
They do. https://centralpark.org/coyotes-in-central-park/
I'd never even seen a photo of one before, but I knew what it was straight away because its face looked like Wile E Coyote!
I live in a small town in the SW of England, UK called Yeovil pop. 45,000. We have loads of foxes and badgers. Foxes seem roughly comparable to a coyote. I regularly see foxes here and not just in the parks. I do live rather close to a lot of park as well as the town so that helps.
Sadly the badgers in Somerset seem to be suicidal and shoot themselves before jumping over hedges into a road. That's before, during and after an official cull to try and avert TB in cattle. Science ... lol.
Until, talking to a friend the grew up in Newfoundland that casually mentioned, to echo your parent comment, "From time to time, we had polar bears. Don't get close to a polar bear."
And then I come to San Francisco and one just walks past me and sniffs my hand while I'm going to the 7-11. Didn't even register that it wasn't just a dog until it had walked past.
It's crazy how much more comfortable around humans animals become in urban environments.
Did not expect that.
I like this game.
Over the past few years I've seen the odd pheasant within ten minutes walk of the centre of Basingstoke as well as the occasional deer sprinting across the ring road dual carriageway.
Hopefully we all get to see more wildlife as life quietens down a little and, at least in the UK, we can be sure not to encounter anything even remotely dangerous.
I once did a night "hike" up to Tibidabo. This wasn't organized or anything, just a few friends and I took a commuter train out of the city to the base of the mountain, semi-stranding ourselves. Then we walked up to the top, slept outside on the hilltop and enjoyed the sunrise the next morning.
Tibidabo has an amusement park and a cathedral, so there was a night security guard who was very confused by the 4-5 tourists hanging out outside his gate at night, although he didn't complain much.
The relevant bit here though is that on the walk up the mountain, we saw more than one wild boar out on the roadside, including a whole family. It was unexpected and frightening.
And a funicular!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JMaFfAxq0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFFls6mBb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9MTMCo8JbQ
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/nov/30/berlin-h...
Once I was walking through some brush in a city park in Calgary, AB and a siren went by. The whole area around me lit up with howling. Little unnerving, although coyotes are pretty cowardly out West (in the East they've interbred with wolves and will once in a blue moon take a hiker down).
The ones in town are a bit less shy.
What's strange is last night our chickens were attacked by an eastern red fox. Usually they're super skittish and shy around humans, but as I (along with 3 other people) was rescuing my rooster from under a car, this one kept circling around, thinking he was going to get his prey back from us. Not scared at all.
(FWIW roosters are amazing animals... this one seems to have charged the fox to get it to drop one of the hens, and then fought with it and decoyed it away from the hens a good 200 feet down to the road, then it hid under a car of some people who passed by and witnessed this all happening and stopped. All birds survived, just missing some feathers. Rooster gets lots of treats today.)
https://www.france24.com/en/20200324-wild-puma-captured-in-d...
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/discovery-parks-co...
I agree though, we should get out on some new space vessels soon to buy some insurance and project ourselves into the far future.
Surely we recognize that living things exist independent and outside of us without needing to lessen our own existence.
>Couldn't you make the analogous argument that the extinction of all life on Earth would be fine since it would have absolutely no effect on the vast majority of the universe?
I suppose you could but that's not what I said.
even leaving out monkeys and apes, i think other animals like for example racoons can make it to the "sapient" level with time if humans would "release" the space back to the Nature. And i think we have only very slightest idea about birds and insects. Cro-Magnon has been i'd say a version 0.7 of sapience with major bugs and broken&missing features, and i'd not be surprised if the Nature had other versions in the works.
If I was going to bet on non-human sapience, though, I'd go with crows. Intelligence seems to be most effective if you combine it with social instincts to create culture. Crows do this already.
Oh, you're a "social ecologist" aren't you?
There is nothing fascist or right-leaning in the notion that human activity largely has a negative impact on the natural world.
Humanity has an outsized impact on the world (natural and artificial). Our influence has impacted nearly all the ecological niches on earth. That said, assigning moral agency to me (or you) for that depends on a series of logical connections between ways of being and the human impact on the world.
We each choose (somewhat - hard to choose to be born in the first world) how we live, but individuals have limited agency for what "humanity" does as a whole. It's all well and good to say "humans bad" (and I don't totally disagree?), but that perspective has been out there for a while and humans are still doing the bad things. Seems like we should search for different approaches.
Scare quotes because I refuse to debase the word 'terrorism' by extending it to include property damage.
Edit: To put it mildly, the average Earth Firster has almost nothing politically in common with, e.g., the Christchurch shooter or the Unibomber.
In addition, our actions determine the fates of non-human species much more than their actions our fates.
Also recall that humans, as an invasive species, can be adept at destroying ecosystems. There's a big, interlocking series of forests in South America, for instance, that gets a lot of attention, but that's hardly the only example.
Humans mostly tend to radically reshape local ecosystems for their own ends, at times collapsing them.
Aside from some very local remediation successes here and there (which are more repair jobs than preservation), I'm unaware of any evidence that humans have "recognized, anticipated and averted" any of note.
Do you have any?
Farms are inherently unstable - the 'system' is missing. From an ecological perspective, they're no more an ecosystem than you'd get if you released a bunch of random animals in your house. You'd have a new 'system' that lasts until they die.
However it's only a matter of time until something large collides with Earth and destroys it all.
Like it or not humans are the best chance this planet has to continue life on after a cataclysmic event by hopefully colonizing another planet.
I swear the most common "crazy story from my vet" is the soccer mom that rescues a litter of puppies that she found on her run...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-mexican-pet/
From my first hand experience, I'd assume any wooded area with cover in SF has a coyote living there.
That they would wander out of the wooded areas is no shock. A couple years ago I saw one strolling along the sidewalk in the Presidio not far from Main Post, acting more or less the same way a tourist would.
I did, however, get to see hummingbirds for the first (and so far only) time in my life.
And I appreciated the signage for giving me some of the history and and pointers on what to keep an eye out for.
They were pretty small though. I wouldn't want my Yorkie near them, but they were more like an oversized Fox.
I worry about people with dogs since dogs can easily chase a coyote, corner it then get bitten or eaten if it's small enough.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100501095227/http://www.chron....
Never in my life have I seen such blue skies over LA. And my parents don't ever remember it being clearer either.
At least this shows what some stricter climate controls can do to both the climate and the economy and the tradeoffs involved.
Still, I wholeheartedly agree on the concept. I'm curious as to how to fix the followup problems that will occur from fixing the primary problem.
You’ll find that people will adapt quite quickly as the price ramps up (we can smear over a year if we need to). Carpooling, switching to electric, or just getting a closer job will all suddenly seem very feasible when the numbers are concrete.
Do people not get that not everyone is a knowledge worker whose work is always done on a computer?
I also hope that there will be some dip in relevant global climate measurements, so there will be something to point to and say: "here's direct empirical evidence that climate change is man-made and that reducing emissions helps mitigate it".
climate change / carbon (dioxide) and carbon taxes are about long-term temperature change due to C02 concentration and the effects of that. COVID-19 isn't changing that in 1 year.
Local pollution is caused by burning gasoline and factory smoke.
I don't expect COVID-19 to show up too strongly in temperature graphs, but I hope some of its effects show up somewhere with large enough effect size that we have a statistically significant dip in the chart to point to as direct evidence that human activity is causing this, and changes are meaningful to fixing it.
It has become increasingly difficult to find locations which are purely nature. I wonder how much easier it has become since the number of people generating "work noise" has fallen so much?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/24/machine-...
https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/aircraft-detection-radar-19...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_location
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42104894
And it turns out I was wrong. There is one spot 21.7 miles away from a road deep in Wyoming.
Plenty of raccoons too. For some reason those are more comfortable around people. One night I met one walking towards me on the sidewalk. First I thought it was a fat cat. I stepped aside as he strolled by me, he stopped, gave me a greeting stare and proceeded on his business.
So this isn’t new although perhaps more are venturing out for longer periods of time due to the streets being emptier.