I agree. The new UI is utterly obnoxious on mobile - they keep trying to force me to use the app, including making it impossible to read the rest of a forum without using the app instead. It's horrible.
I prefer the old version too, but have you tried using the classic or compact layout option on the new version? I personally use the classic layout and have been much less frustrated with it.
The problem is the conversation threads. You can't read them in the new format. They constantly elide them so you have to click on them and it jumps around on the screen.
In the old view, I can read a page full of threaded comments on a thread I've clicked into. In the new layout, you get maybe five comments, and a scroll to the next thread. It is awful.
Not true at all. It'll only show some of the comments others will be hidden until you click on them, making the screen jump around the screen as gp said.
old.reddit.com alleviates this but not for much longer I'm sure.
Then the lovely firefox will periodically decide not to allow 'trusted site exceptions' disallowing you from visiting old.reddit.com. All in all I find it's too much work most of the time.
I don't see it. For example I just loaded one of the top posts now ( https://imgur.com/a/qTUuPOq ), and I can scroll through the whole thread, without any click.
If you're on Android, I can't recommend RedReader enough [1] . It's open source and customisation (also installable via F-Droid). I browse with a compact display and thumbnails turned off.
Reddit Sync Dev is the best reddit client on android imo. It has a lot of features I didn't know I would need, and the developer regularly pushes updates every few days.
I also find the new UI to be awful on desktop. Just disastrously slow. I hardly use Reddit anymore part of it the community and me just having different priorities but the other part is this new Mobile first mentality. I’ll use old.Reddit.com until they finally kill it.
The new version of reddit bogs down FF to where I have to restart if I want to keep scrolling. This is on a TR3960X with 64GB of memory. I haven't checked the resource manager when that happens but I probably should.
I agree, hence why I live on https://i.reddit.com on mobile. It lacks some of the features of the new UI, but I don't use those anyhow since I just lurk/read.
As someone who spends too much time on reddit, I do hope they do that soon, so that the UX disaster of the new interface discourages me from spending more than 2 minutes per day there..
Old reddit is still superior to hacker news. It was the perfect forum. Now it's a social media laced whale driven place filled with a single viewpoint. To the point that negative comments don't even show up anymore.
https://i.reddit.com has been around for a very long time and hasn't changed at all. It can't play video but you can browse threads and it's lightning fast. Especially without thumbnails.
1. Why are they forcing me to use their app so much? it's just not practical: for example if I quit the app and come back it doesn't return me to the page I was looking at; worse it often doesn't display comments for me (infinite loading).
2. Why is the web redesign so bad? Who are they trying to cater for? There's just so much friction in reading comments from multiple posts now, when I click on a post to read the comments an then outside it scroll back up to the beginning. Why can't I read comments if I'm not signed in?
Metrics:
It is easy for them to keep track of metrics, including the following:
* did someone pause on a post, mark it
* time on page,
* whatever other crazy metric you can show to advertisers
* in-line advertisements
Also, the walled garden makes it so you get the endorphin hit of clicking the button and it can algorithmically entice you back with notifications and other engagements.
I understand it in the sense that I can conceptualize it. I just have a hard time believing it is really best for business. They determine how much money they make per user and find that signed in users make more money. Signed in users on their mobile app (users inside of their walled garden) make the most money. If they lose a couple users trying to convert everyone to using their mobile app, so be it.
Having an account and using their mobile app makes it easier to track you, easier to show you ads and likely worth more per advertisement.
I prefer old reddit for the same reason as you, I like to read and comment. But I can tell you who they are catering to: People who scroll through subreddits scanning photos. If you go to meme focused subreddit, the new version is pretty good. If you go to a discussion focused subreddit, the old version is better.
I fucking hate it. The redesign is actively harmful to the quality of subreddits. It makes the subscribers the ones who dictate the content, not the community members. The vast majority of subs don’t participate in any meaningful way, they just upvote the funny picture in their feed, haha, while the people who frequent the subreddit and dictated most of the content prior to the redesign are completely disenfrachised. I’ve seen a bunch of subreddits go down the shitter because low effort memes and blog posts-like pictures conquered the front page after the redesign.
They are catering to children, literally. I've been using the site for a few years and have noticed more often than not when a set of comments seems especially naive its because I've been talking to teenager.
I can't tell you the number of times I thought I was having a meaningful conversation only to find out, after asking, that the user was a kid.
it's fair to say that if you thought that you were having a meaningful conversation, that indeed it was a meaningful conversation regardless of their age
> There's just so much friction in reading comments from multiple posts now, when I click on a post to read the comments an then outside it scroll back up to the beginning.
It's much more bearable if you always open posts in a new tab (I'm talking on desktop; on mobile use a third-party app). You can configure it in the feed settings. Then the view is very similar to old Reddit, and you keep the posts list unchanged.
I have started using old interface since yesterday because the new interface is extremely slow on Desktop.
I just don’t understand how showing bunch of images can be this slow.
Mobile is just the name of the game. I don't get it -- I can't stand browsing the web on mobile versus a laptop -- but when you look at the metrics, it's hard to argue against optimizing for that channel.
You would very much enjoy browsing Reddit via i.reddit.com if you haven’t already heard of it. Lightweight, fast, minimalist, web. It’s missing some newer features like chat messaging but it gets the job done quite well otherwise. And it’s ad free!
There is a grocery chain store in my country and since ordering food is kind of hot this year, they started accepting orders and deliver groceries. Via an app. They have an app for this. You can't order anything through their website, you have to use your tiny surveillance rectangle for that.
Their mistake was keeping the old interface around at all. If they had just killed it off we would have complained about it for a while and then just moved on.
Digg was flooded with College Humor posts and XKCD comics before the redesign. For some reason, people think the redesign was the reason why people left.
Nothing, but I go to xkcd.com for that. IMO, the only valid use of reposting xkcd is when the thing you're posting is pertinent to the conversation. Like if somebody's among the lucky 10,000 who hasn't heard of nerdsniping until today.
A very significant percentage of Reddit browses the old interface (I think 20% or 30%). These people are likely to leave and help create another viable competitor.
I find it impossible to believe that at all. The new Reddit UI is essentially just a reskin. The Digg "redesign" was an entirely new concept that radically changed the purpose of the site. The two aren't comparable at all.
Maybe we’re just not the target audience for reddit anymore. I’ve spoken to spoken to zoomers who use reddit and their response is that the “new UI” is all they’ve used and they like it because everything is embedded in the same page and scrolls like their twitter/facebook/instagram feed.
I only use Reddit from behind Tor, on desktop, so I open a bunch of tabs to amortize the load time, then read them in sequence and close each one as I read it.
If you have fast Internet and a short attention span, and faith in your web browser's back button, maybe that doesn't make sense.
Considering the new UI regularly takes up literally takes up 100% of my laptop's CPU, it would mean I would have just stopped using Reddit. Last time I tried it I couldn't even scroll without all sorts of yanking.
It was mentioned somewhere it's not going to be killed anytime soon, similar to how i.reddit.com is still working. But it also won't get updates so you may get a "degraded" experience.
A good example of this is GitHub-style ``` ... ``` codeblocks, which don't work on old.reddit.com, but do in the new UI.
Yeah, that's how I imagine it will play out. Eventually there will be so many of those things that don't work on the old site that they will "have to" kill it for our sake :)
Loads of things don't work on i.reddit.com, and that's still alive. Past record gives us no hard guarantees for the future, but thus far Reddit's record is pretty good on this.
Their video player is probably one of the worst I've experienced. It [1] requires me to hit play twice to get a video to actually play almost 100% of the time. [2] the audio frequently defaults to max, then adjusts to the level I've previously selected. [3] It frequently auto plays if I've scrolled down the feed a ways, and [4] frequently only plays 50% of the video and restarts or locks up.
Not really. Reddit infrastructure and product development has been subsidized by hundreds of millions in VC funding for almost a decade. At this point they don't even need a good product to stay at the table. Meanwhile to compete you need moderation tools, highly performant and reliable caching infrastructure for media rich content, enough of an ad network the investors believe you can eventually build an ad network, and to sell you soul to investors to buy marketing to keep people around long enough to gain critical mass.
Social Media isn't about innovation anymore. It's about buying a stake and rent seeking. And guess what nobody is going to sell you an acre to get started just because you feel like giving it the college try.
I've been on reddit for 14 years (14 years club!) and I can honestly say in that time it hasn't changed in any fundamental way. (It has however changed for the worse in many small ways.)
I'm sure they put a lot of effort into serving their own images and video and placing ads in just the right place for maximal accidental clickage but why would the user care?
I'd argue that the following are fundamental changes that have impacted the community in a big way:
- Selling 10% of the business to Tencent/Chinese investors
- Firing their community managers in 2015 and not replacing them
- When I first joined Reddit it was more technology focused, now it's all pop culture and memes. Although Tech subs are still plentiful so it can still be that site. (With some effort)
- Banning any Sub-Reddit's that go against whatever the admins mood is on a particular day, or content that no longer fits with their "We have shareholders and need to keep them happy" mantra. Reddit is absolutely not a place for free speech/uncensored discussions these days. Because of both toxic mods and horrible admins.
- Huge increase of censorship across the site in Sub-Reddit's, Posts and Comments
- Users care about the video stuff because Reddit's video hosting is fundamentally broken and hardly works, but they would rather keep it broken because it makes it harder to download videos (DASH)
- The whole new design is anti-user, the site is just masses of white space, super slow, JS heavy and pretty much unusable outside a third party mobile client. The day old.reddit.com gets shut down will be a sad day.
None of this stuff was a problem 14 years ago
Although some of the above comes with the toxicity that tends to come with huge community growth.
You can argue the above isn't significant, but as someone who's been on the site for 14 years, it sure ain't the same place I signed up for all those years ago.
> The whole new design is anti-user, the site is just masses of white space, super slow, JS heavy and pretty much unusable outside a third party mobile client. The day old.reddit.com gets shut down will be a sad day.
On desktop the new design is much easier to use, it took me awhile to realize, but being able to hit esc and be right back where you were in the story feed is super nice.
What are you even talking about. All modern browsers will bring you back to the spot you were in when you go back to the previous page, and have for years.
Which works questionable well in an infinite scrolling situation.
Previously you'd get a token in the URL that was some type of state that hopefully let you resume, but it didn't work if you spent too long reading comments and then pressed the back button.
The new reddit UI solved this problem by simply not having users ever "leave" the home page.
The default subreddits are as bad as you'd expect, but there's many awesome smaller ones. Pray your niche subreddit never becomes default.
IMO this is why they keep old reddit around. Some use reddit for bite-sized entertainment; others use it for serious advice and discussion. It makes sense for the site to have two modes.
>subsidized by hundreds of millions in VC funding for almost a decade
That hasn't stopped any company from total collapse before and it won't now. Other social media sites have people somewhat locked in since it's all about staying in contact with friends and following certain people. You need to push the entire crowd at once to have a good replacement, but those sites still die when they screw up enough. Reddit's a place where people mostly read comments, see some funny pictures or news, and then go about their day. There's a lot less keeping people from dropping it and moving on.
Or maybe you shouldn't care about those infra stuff for now and just bootstrap it and let the community grow organically. Also, when reddit started more than a decade ago, scaling infra was hard, but in 2020 we have a lot of off-the-shelf tech that allows you to build "web-scale" app relatively easily, but all of that is moot if you can't grow the community, so why bother at this early stage?
Reddit does this because they have failed to find a monetization strategy good enough to cover the investment in the business. Any competitor without some new approach will have the same issue.
1. Status customization. Apps and games based on communities have proved that this business model can bring lots of $$$, the whole idea is to let users customize the way they appear to others in exchange for money. Think "skins". I've heard even discord does it.
2. Competition platform. Trade will always flow if things work well, but how can people trade on your platform? Allow people to produce themes and plugins for communities, and create a marketplace for customizing your own community. Then take a cut.
They have also made many of the subreddits not viewable via a mobile browser pushing you to the app, it seems though the blocks go in and out of effect. At some point metrics of a sites app downloads don't mean anything when they make their primary site unusable.
But it's good for google, isn't it? I mean, if ddg can't get me there, but google can, then it makes google better than their competitors (in the one regard).
I deleted an unofficial Reddit app from my phone, since I found I was wasting too much time on it. I figured for the occasions I wanted access to reddit (mostly from searching for topics on Google), I’d just use the web version.
But the web UI, combined with Google AMP, made it unusable.
I’ve gone back to the app but with iOS screen time restrictions.
That is until they become even more greedy and ban third party apps. Probably by the end of next year. The reasons will be 'privacy of users' and 'letting users access reddit via a unified interface'. Or some bs like that
As an ad-supported service, I wouldn’t be surprised if Reddit refuse to serve clients that don’t show ads. On the other hand, I don’t think their API that Apollo is using includes ads. Same deal with third-party Twitter clients. I wonder if their are examples of similar ad-supported services that included ads in the API, and required the developer of the third-party client to implement ad support?
Reddit should make an API feature to allow the 3rd party app, the ability to display the ads. Then, Reddit will do profit sharing of each ad shown. This would give the 3rd party app incentive to maintain the app.
I dislike all things "new web". The websites feel like layers upon layers of Javascript, fancy designs that feel like they are responsible for the decreased responsiveness. Styles delegated to the same CSS frameworks that everyone else uses. The rounded corners.
Give me plain HTML, minimal CSS, and a template engine any day of the week.
Plain HTMl, minimal CSS, and a template engine aren't quite substitutes for event driven systems that also drive really nice features. On the other hand, I recently was testing my website on Brave and a simple request from my frontend to the backend (which resides in the same container) was rejected as a tracking script even though I know it doesn't do any tracking that I've implemented.
I was really hoping WASM might fill this gap, and it still might, but it'll be a while from what I can tell.
Also, it would be basically impossible to host comment threads on video content if the video reset every time you submitted a comment. By comparison, Twitter's video experience is still awful in that you can't multitask and join the conversation on a video tweet.
The principle that site designers need to start abiding by is to not reinvent the browser--there's no need to use JS for routing or single page apps. The browser does that fantastically already. All that's needed of JS is to add asynchronicity to pages that need to update state without interrupting a running service.
I think you misunderstand me. I’m not saying the site doesn’t work fine without JavaScript. Just that the back button usually takes you to the home page, except when it annoyingly takes you to the “edit comment” page that has already been submitted.
The old web placed HTML and CSS as primary, and used JS for incidental tasks like form validation, or fixing up the back button. The big idea was "graceful degradation": sites were expected to work without JS, at the cost of (say) a server-side error instead of immediate feedback.
Modern reddit does not gracefully degrade: it requires JS to click buttons, to load images, to scroll, etc. Old reddit still works well without JS. So does Google for that matter.
The old web was optimized for devices that may or may not be able to run much JavaScript or of they did, it was a patchwork of different APIs from different browsers.
The new web caters to advertisers, and rightly assumes that everyone has a browser that follows JavaScript standards.
... Or better standards that don't require JavaScript. The jump from "we need seamless navigation" to "let's use a Turing-complete language" makes zero sense.
Between Reddit’s heavy-handed censorship, rampant site wide political biases, their terrible new UI, the dark patterns forcing users to the app, unexplained bans of subreddits, overzealous mods, and deletion of discussions of Reddit alternatives (https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/hib1oj/...), it is time for them to go the way of the dodo.
Parler is ranked highly because it was recently popularized on centrist and conservative media as an alternative to Twitter. That rank is misleading - it’s not necessarily the best because it is newer than some of the others, and it isn’t meant to be a direct Reddit alternative as much as a Twitter alternative. Some of the others like Ruqqus or Saidit are more of Reddit’s direct competitors.
If you're going to make an X alternative, you have cater to it's core audience. In Reddit's case, it's the power users (folks who post all the content) the moderators, and the commenters.
If you don't give them stuff Reddit won't, you won't do well. A new platform has to be significantly better for all of those groups or it doesn't have a chance
New Reddit interface is slow as hell for something as simple as text/images discussion board. Compare it with the speed of Hacker News, for example. They are completely incompetent.
Not so much incompetent but I get the distinct impression that they have way too many developers trying to add features to something that, going by the way old.reddit.com has barely changed, was feature complete about 5 years ago.
i've been using it less and less, in fact i only ever go there if some breaking news is about, and today, that is the last thing you can find on reddit! kinda sad considering...
I hate to be seen this nakedly aggro, but reddit is broken ruins.
Obligatory cred: first used reddit in...2006? Used it to chat with friends around the world on subjects of mutual interest. It was fun, of course. I've mainly lurked since then.
Now? If one sifts through the records there is great info in there, but most subs I want to enjoy are overrun with, how to say, self-congratulatory amateurs. It's neither useful nor entertaining.
Is this a good thing? Of all social media, Reddit seems to me like it has the most potential to actually do something positive for society. They’ve seriously been dropping the ball with execution in the past several years but I don’t know that we’d be better off with them disappearing without a better alternative.
One of my biggest gripe is forcing Reddit to their mobile app, which is filled with bugs. I've had a bot posting a daily Calvin & Hobbes strip for seven years. The comic is posted as a gif, and so many people using the Reddit mobile app have complained, I basically had to write a FAQ for it.
142 comments
[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 238 ms ] threadhttps://imgur.com/a/SBifQIB
In the old view, I can read a page full of threaded comments on a thread I've clicked into. In the new layout, you get maybe five comments, and a scroll to the next thread. It is awful.
old.reddit.com alleviates this but not for much longer I'm sure.
Then the lovely firefox will periodically decide not to allow 'trusted site exceptions' disallowing you from visiting old.reddit.com. All in all I find it's too much work most of the time.
[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.quantumbad...
[1] https://apps.apple.com/sk/app/apollo-for-reddit/id979274575
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.laurenceda...
So, if I cannot get to old.reddit, I stop going there, very simple.
I am glad hackernews/ycombinator still has what I consider the best WEB/Comment setup I have ever seen.
1. Why are they forcing me to use their app so much? it's just not practical: for example if I quit the app and come back it doesn't return me to the page I was looking at; worse it often doesn't display comments for me (infinite loading).
2. Why is the web redesign so bad? Who are they trying to cater for? There's just so much friction in reading comments from multiple posts now, when I click on a post to read the comments an then outside it scroll back up to the beginning. Why can't I read comments if I'm not signed in?
* did someone pause on a post, mark it * time on page, * whatever other crazy metric you can show to advertisers * in-line advertisements
Also, the walled garden makes it so you get the endorphin hit of clicking the button and it can algorithmically entice you back with notifications and other engagements.
Having an account and using their mobile app makes it easier to track you, easier to show you ads and likely worth more per advertisement.
Try https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/ in an incognito window to see it in the new Reddit, then try it old reddit.
I can't tell you the number of times I thought I was having a meaningful conversation only to find out, after asking, that the user was a kid.
It's much more bearable if you always open posts in a new tab (I'm talking on desktop; on mobile use a third-party app). You can configure it in the feed settings. Then the view is very similar to old Reddit, and you keep the posts list unchanged.
That's an awful trend.
EDIT: Nevermind, after investigating the issue does not seem to be the CSS.
For now, you can still edit the target URL manually.
There's 3 new comics per week. It's not like you can sustain a whole website on that.
I don't know, xkcd.com seems to be doing just that.
I only use Reddit from behind Tor, on desktop, so I open a bunch of tabs to amortize the load time, then read them in sequence and close each one as I read it.
If you have fast Internet and a short attention span, and faith in your web browser's back button, maybe that doesn't make sense.
A good example of this is GitHub-style ``` ... ``` codeblocks, which don't work on old.reddit.com, but do in the new UI.
Social Media isn't about innovation anymore. It's about buying a stake and rent seeking. And guess what nobody is going to sell you an acre to get started just because you feel like giving it the college try.
I'm sure they put a lot of effort into serving their own images and video and placing ads in just the right place for maximal accidental clickage but why would the user care?
I'd argue that the following are fundamental changes that have impacted the community in a big way:
- Selling 10% of the business to Tencent/Chinese investors
- Firing their community managers in 2015 and not replacing them
- When I first joined Reddit it was more technology focused, now it's all pop culture and memes. Although Tech subs are still plentiful so it can still be that site. (With some effort)
- Banning any Sub-Reddit's that go against whatever the admins mood is on a particular day, or content that no longer fits with their "We have shareholders and need to keep them happy" mantra. Reddit is absolutely not a place for free speech/uncensored discussions these days. Because of both toxic mods and horrible admins.
- Huge increase of censorship across the site in Sub-Reddit's, Posts and Comments
- Users care about the video stuff because Reddit's video hosting is fundamentally broken and hardly works, but they would rather keep it broken because it makes it harder to download videos (DASH)
- The whole new design is anti-user, the site is just masses of white space, super slow, JS heavy and pretty much unusable outside a third party mobile client. The day old.reddit.com gets shut down will be a sad day.
None of this stuff was a problem 14 years ago
Although some of the above comes with the toxicity that tends to come with huge community growth.
You can argue the above isn't significant, but as someone who's been on the site for 14 years, it sure ain't the same place I signed up for all those years ago.
On desktop the new design is much easier to use, it took me awhile to realize, but being able to hit esc and be right back where you were in the story feed is super nice.
Previously you'd get a token in the URL that was some type of state that hopefully let you resume, but it didn't work if you spent too long reading comments and then pressed the back button.
The new reddit UI solved this problem by simply not having users ever "leave" the home page.
The default subreddits are as bad as you'd expect, but there's many awesome smaller ones. Pray your niche subreddit never becomes default.
IMO this is why they keep old reddit around. Some use reddit for bite-sized entertainment; others use it for serious advice and discussion. It makes sense for the site to have two modes.
That hasn't stopped any company from total collapse before and it won't now. Other social media sites have people somewhat locked in since it's all about staying in contact with friends and following certain people. You need to push the entire crowd at once to have a good replacement, but those sites still die when they screw up enough. Reddit's a place where people mostly read comments, see some funny pictures or news, and then go about their day. There's a lot less keeping people from dropping it and moving on.
1. Status customization. Apps and games based on communities have proved that this business model can bring lots of $$$, the whole idea is to let users customize the way they appear to others in exchange for money. Think "skins". I've heard even discord does it.
2. Competition platform. Trade will always flow if things work well, but how can people trade on your platform? Allow people to produce themes and plugins for communities, and create a marketplace for customizing your own community. Then take a cut.
But the web UI, combined with Google AMP, made it unusable.
I’ve gone back to the app but with iOS screen time restrictions.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/apollo-for-reddit/id979274575
That is until they become even more greedy and ban third party apps. Probably by the end of next year. The reasons will be 'privacy of users' and 'letting users access reddit via a unified interface'. Or some bs like that
Give me plain HTML, minimal CSS, and a template engine any day of the week.
I was really hoping WASM might fill this gap, and it still might, but it'll be a while from what I can tell.
This flow is obviously not ideal, and would be prevented with a little Javascript.
The principle that site designers need to start abiding by is to not reinvent the browser--there's no need to use JS for routing or single page apps. The browser does that fantastically already. All that's needed of JS is to add asynchronicity to pages that need to update state without interrupting a running service.
Modern reddit does not gracefully degrade: it requires JS to click buttons, to load images, to scroll, etc. Old reddit still works well without JS. So does Google for that matter.
The new web caters to advertisers, and rightly assumes that everyone has a browser that follows JavaScript standards.
... Or better standards that don't require JavaScript. The jump from "we need seamless navigation" to "let's use a Turing-complete language" makes zero sense.
Here’s a list of alternatives: https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/hi97fz/...
Whereas if I go to the root page of reddit, I get content.
I think that's a huge turn off for alot of people.
Show interesting content, and let the product speak for itself.
If you go to Hacker News, you see content, you don't see a page explaining why Hacker News is great.
I just closed the Parler website rather than figure out what hoops I have to jump through to see content and what it's like.
If you're going to make an X alternative, you have cater to it's core audience. In Reddit's case, it's the power users (folks who post all the content) the moderators, and the commenters.
If you don't give them stuff Reddit won't, you won't do well. A new platform has to be significantly better for all of those groups or it doesn't have a chance
Note that I have my mobile settings to use the desktop version and I only use the old interface.
It's possible there's a bug that rolled out affecting galleries posted after 1AM UTC.
Obligatory cred: first used reddit in...2006? Used it to chat with friends around the world on subjects of mutual interest. It was fun, of course. I've mainly lurked since then.
Now? If one sifts through the records there is great info in there, but most subs I want to enjoy are overrun with, how to say, self-congratulatory amateurs. It's neither useful nor entertaining.
Even joke subs feel tired and decadent.
Meanwhile, mob rule downvoting pervades.
It is broken.
Good riddance.
Is this a good thing? Of all social media, Reddit seems to me like it has the most potential to actually do something positive for society. They’ve seriously been dropping the ball with execution in the past several years but I don’t know that we’d be better off with them disappearing without a better alternative.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CalvinBot/comments/bdxb6h/why_are_p...
It's been over a year & the bug is still there.
Also, jan morris was an excellent travel writer