"a new feature called “Dashcam” that, as the name suggests, records video (and audio, optionally) while you are driving. If your phone is mounted in the right spot, the recording should provide helpful information in the event of an accident or other unexpected situation."
A perfect way to collect information about your driving habits and vehicle. Insurance companies, auto sales and maintenance companies, and others would love to find new customers this way.
Now they can collect not just yours, but also other people's license plate movements and facial recognition. It's great producing eyes for Google everywhere - which is why the Ring was worth a billion $ for Amazon.
Just found out that my Pixel 7 has, so deeply hidden I don't find it again easily, a check box limiting / allowing access to car data. I didn't turn it on...
Well, there is a long weekend coming up, maybe if I find time despite the huge home project backlog to install CalxyOS, I hate it that I cannot trust my phone to not spy on me and my activities despite everything being turned of. After all, some settings changed after various app updates.
(I know this doesn't really help you now, but) If you install your self-representing operating system as part of setting up a new phone, then you don't end up in a situation where it's some huge disruptive undertaking. Also doing so within the purchase return period assures that your phone can definitely be unlocked, rather than finding out otherwise when it's too late.
Since the main reason not to use grapheneOS is that it only supports Pixels and you already have one, you might also consider it. Install feels almost suspiciously easy coming from the likes of cyanogenmod.
>Install feels almost suspiciously easy coming from the likes of cyanogenmod.
this is a great teaser statement
I miss the days of having to open 9 xda threads to figure out how to install some ROM. That whole scene seems to have died off as Android puts up more walls to increase reliance on locked down services
There is plenty navigation/maps<->insurance or police-detection<->insurance cooperation here in Poland. It analyzes your driving and offers discounts based on that.
There is also plenty of dedicated dashcam apps and functions in map apps so I'm curious why this Pixel addon brings attention.
Car companies already advertise new models as fully Googlyfied (as if that is a good thing) so when informed people lament that a large part of the population are basically convenience seeking, gullible imbeciles its not far from the truth.
That such an important aspect of our lives as privacy would come to be trampled so easily is just mind boggling.
Wisdom of the crowds my a*. The only way you can prevent organized corporate abuse is to have very empowered and savvy regulators that somehow truly work for the interests of the many.
A highly non-trivial catch-22 given that in a democracy they can only draw legitimacy for their actions by appealing to the same inane and manipulated multitudes.
Everyone should be free to choose if they have a car that automatically generates tons of evidence against themselves that the cops just have to seize.
It's bad enough with eCall and the trend to insurances requiring recording blackboxes (or modern cars doing that all on their own), but dashcams? I can already see police demanding laws allowing them to force you to hand them over access to the footage at a roadside traffic stop and them running AI scans on it to see if you ran a stop sign or red light or if you were speeding.
Where there's feeding troughs of data, the pigs will always come to demand being fed (a rough translation of the German saying "Wenn man den Trog hat, kommen die Schweine von ganz alleine").
Why is surveillance a requirement? Local recordings would have virtually no downsides unless the intention is to evade responsibility for traffic collisions.
I do actually have a dashcam built into my personal vehicle. I have mixed feelings about it, but overall I think the benefits outweigh the risks.
that said, the risks are not to be taken lightly. even if the recording is only stored locally, it can be seized by authorities or subpoenaed later. you can't guarantee it will only be used to settle minor traffic disputes.
like I said, I'm (mostly) happy to make that decision for myself. but having the government require people to collect evidence against themselves is a hard no from me.
Driving on public roads is a privilege, not a right, which is why it's legal for them to institutes requirements like "must have insurance" or "must have a driver's license".
I read that you get a nontrivial discount on your car insurance in Russia if you have a dashcam. So basically everyone there has one, which is why it seems like all the dashcam videos on the internet take place in Russia.
I think that sort of system makes sense. We shouldn't require dashcam, but any policy which reduces expensive he-said-she-said litigation in our society should be encouraged.
I suspect we'd find a pleasant second-order benefit as well: humans might simply drive better if they know they're being recorded. We know that interactions with the police are much less likely to escalate to the point of violence when both parties are recording each other, and I imagine the same principle could apply to our roads.
They're pretty ubiquitous here in Hong Kong too. As much for protection against scams than actual accidents (i.e. other vehicles and pedestrians falsely claiming you hit them).
>I suspect we'd find a pleasant second-order benefit as well: humans might simply drive better if they know they're being recorded.
Insurance companies already offer you “discounts” (or pretend to) if you install their pervasive tracking dongle. How they use that data is NOT to the consumers benefit. When I was in school, an insurance company (idk which one but it’s in Cleveland area) pitched us to work for them on this system. They laughed to us about all the fools who give them data. They bill you more if you travel through intersections with lights (every intersection has a risk score), take left turns on your way home from work, etc. - they had some insane amount of data. If they shared the safety data with everyone then I’d be more ok with it. I wish I could ask Apple/Google maps to route me “safely”.
I was going to refuse my spy dongle, but they offered a >80% discount. Everyone has a price, but I wish the government disincentivized this behavior.
Better driver training and education is what should be required first. Seeing people on the road makes me think most people don't know about the physics of tailgating or speeding.
When I grew up in Germany it was the ADAC driver training, a half day of driving on a long and wide patch of road almost like an airport apron, and doing different manoeuvres and exercises that made me a much much more humble (and slow) driver.
> Better driver training and education is what should be required first. Seeing people on the road makes me think most people don't know about the physics of tailgating or speeding
You can train people all you want but a great many still aren't going to understand the physics of driving and use that to drive more safely.
Driving is for most people an activity imbued with primal feelings and behaviors. Otherwise we'd all be driving small nimble cars in a way that maintained a large safety margin.
In reality our reptilian brains want to be in the biggest vehicle that we can do that we survive the crash, while speeding or tailgating to satisfy whatever need or anxiety that services.
America chose to build itself around cars, which makes it politically untenable to put any non-trivial gate in front of driving, which is why you can pass a half hour "test" once at 16 and be set for life, even as you approach dementia. It's even worse now, because even if we succeed at making automobiles not a necessity for average life, a huge subset of the american population believes they are a core part of their identity.
The concept separation of concerns I apply every where, and I like my dashcam not connected to any cloud, if I ever needed a footage, I’ll just take it from the sdcard.
If you live in an area with a high probability of getting your car stolen, you better protect your investment properly and install a gnss tracker, not just it is more reliable, accurate, and use way less data on your cellular plan, but also you can hide it and conceal it in a location (like near the engine) that you have a better chance to find your car before the tracker is found, unlike a dashcam, that will obviously consume more data, but also the first thing will be thrown out of the window after the successful robbery.
Yeah, you could work around this with anti-tamper APIs and trip-wires and tech solutions to secure your phone.
But then you're playing an arms-race game against inventive thieves with jammers and portable Faraday cages.
Another solution is legal. Make a dashcam phone a "Protected Insurance Entity" or some shit. Maybe have it always streaming as part of some Citizens on Patrol Star Watcher campaign. Bump the punishment to federal level insurance fraud.
Jesus, this fucking future.
Obviously, we will save lives, and that is great. It just takes one drunk driver and one teddy bear falling from the sky.
I imagined a future hopping between cyber corps if you have that power.
Cloud backups are e2e encrypted. If you mean it's using a mechanism other than cloud backups, that wouldn't make sense because the user would have to at least agree to their storage being used.
Not necessarily the video itself -although I don’t even trust google studio app-, but the meta data google will collect: when did you use the cam, duration, location, and other data that will be collected “to enhance the service” that’s already crap from the get go.
I like this British musician named Jake Bugg. He's got a song about going to this house party at some criminal's house and one line is about a friend taking him aside and warning him, gravely, that everyone there's got a knife. It almost ruins the song as an American, because the line's just hilarious. "Everyone has a knife? What, you mean like literally any gathering of adults whatsoever that doesn't have bouncers patting people down and/or metal detectors? Everyone has a knife at the grocery store for god's sake!"
(Not literally everyone, of course, but it's entirely normal, non-threatening, and fairly common to carry a pocket knife or knife-including-multitool in the US—anywhere you go that's not screening for metal objects, some of the people there probably have knives, it's not on anyone's radar as something to be worried about. It's like being warned that everyone's wearing underwear, or something)
Oh, yikes, fixed-blades and things as long as shortish machetes? OK, yeah, people don't usually carry those here. Folding pocket knives in the 3"-6" range are common, but not fixed or very-long blades.
Yeah, anything larger than a pocketknife is explicitly illegal to carry in the UK, plus a whole bunch of random moral panic stuff like nunchucks. What the verse means is people carrying knives with intent; that you're entering a subculture where people might stab you in a drunken argument that turns into a fight.
(Used to be Glasgow, these days it's London, always young men in "gang" contexts)
This means the original "tape a knife to the dashcam" gag would be illegal. For car self-defence purposes you're better off with a tyre iron, "breaker bar", socket extender or something else that's a plausible car tool that you just happen to grab.
> What the verse means is people carrying knives with intent; that you're entering a subculture where people might stab you in a drunken argument that turns into a fight.
Right, yeah, I got the intent, it just comes off real goofy in a place where sometimes you see people open-carrying guns, and a hell of a lot more are concealed-carrying, and I was certainly imagining long-side-of-normal folding pocket knives, not something closer to combat knives.
alternate title:
google includes more crap most people won't use, making the OS interface have more crap to go through to find your thing.
here in the real world, if you want your phone to be a dashcam, you've been able to do that with an app for over a decade.
what we need is the phone to natively convert between british, us, and metric, specifically for paprika measurements during the cooking of various dishes. google should put those conversions in the first top-swipe. if you swipe again, then you see notifications. if you swipe a third time, it'll tell you that you've turned your data off, and give you an option to turn it back on. forth time swipe you'll be able to adjust brightness.
No need for a system one if there's an app... But... Is there a FLOSS dashcam for Android? Nothing that I could see on F-droid when I looked a few months back.
I thought there were already apps to do this with most phones. The phone itself has a poor form factor for a dashcam though, and it uses too much power.
Yep, I used to use Sygic for some time as I needed an offline maps in the middle of nowhere, and they have a dashcam addon that worked pretty well, except the heating issue others mentioned.
Thermally, mobile phones are not rated or designed for constant work. They want to do stuff only like 1 out of every 10 seconds and are designed to dissipate heat that way. At least the way I understand it. Even if there was nothing being done to the raw frames from the sensor, which hasn't been the case for a while, it's likely the processor would have to do other stuff to manage the resources.
> We also wonder about how Personal Safety will be able to do this type of always-on recording without generating excess heat, especially if your phone needs to be mounted in a position that’s likely to see a lot of direct sunlight.
That's what I immediately thought of. I can't see this working too well unless they solve the overheating issues.
I had my Google Pixel 7 Pro shut down due to overheating, on a reasonably hot day (~35C) where I was walking around and taking a bunch of photos.
I had to use my hands to absorb the heat, to cool it down enough to turn back on so I could call a Taxi and get somewhere cool.
Or buy a white case. That’s what I did and it seemed to work, as a Sat Nav device at least. Not sure about recording video which will produce more heat.
Both are producing same chips, maybe slightly different serial number. Perhaps better comparison would be why Chinese Tesla’s are better than American ones.
Or why airlines are refusing to take deliveries of Boeing planes from a certain factory but not the others. If it's difficult to maintain consistent quality inside a single company, it's no surprise that differences like this can show up in "identical" CPUs fabricated by different companies.
No, Samsung's processes and TSMC's processes are not the same. They were not making the same chip; they each were making chips based on the same input design, that had been targeted to two different processes.
Samsung's foundries have struggled for the past few years to achieve their targets, whereas TSMC has continued improving at their projected rates. TSMC's process is now significantly ahead of Samsung's, such that the same designs are better on TSMC. These improvements are along the lines of fewer defects, higher switching speeds, less leakage, etc.
The Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 was made on Samsung's fabs. The 8+ Gen 1 is the same design on TSMC.
To be clear, this is for Samsung's processor foundries. Their DRAM and flash memory still appear to be industry leaders.
Quality of manufacturing. Think about a mechanical assembly manufactured within specifications but where one is at the upper bound of tolerance and things rattle a bit while the other is a perfect fit.
In most quality systems those parts are equivalent (they meet spec). If you need or want better parts, you tighten the spec.
A sibling comment to yours points out that TSMC has better processes. That's probably a better way to state it, they can hit a tighter spec at the same price point.
> In most quality systems those parts are equivalent (they meet spec). If you need or want better parts, you tighten the spec.
Components being equivalent within spec doesn't mean they have the same performance. It only means they are all acceptable for their intended use. That's why the Apple A9 from TSCM were performing better than the Samsung ones in the same way batches of products made from the same blueprints can have widely different failure rates.
These are quality of manufacturing issues and yes it is due to TSCM having better processes than Samsung. That's not a better way to state it. One is the reason of the other.
Snapdragons overheat just fine too, it's not a unique issue. Also what is actually overheating most in this scenario is not the SoC but a display. Open your phone of any brand and model and walk around with it unlocked in the bright summer sunny day outside. The screen will work at max brightness and would become insanely hot from the internal heat in very short time span.
>The screen will work at max brightness and would become insanely hot from the internal heat in very short time span.
It's the sun heating up the black non-reflective back of screen. Probably wouldn't be as much of an issue with transreflective displays. The display showing full brightness definitely contributes to the problem, but it's not the main culprit.
In my case with a Galaxy S9, it's the screen that overheats easily. It's a double whammy when in the bright outdoors, because sunlight hits the phone, and it needs to be bright so that the screen can be seen.
Presumably the device will do the recording with the screen turned off, so it will generate little heat internally. So I think placing most of the device behind something to shield it from sunlight should be enough to avoid heat issues.
Though I agree with others here that a cheap specialized dashcam device is much better.
Still won't be enough. Driving I-5 from LA to SF on a reasonably warm day (85+F) means the phone will shut down within the hour if it's on the dashboard. I've specifically gotten a phone mount that attaches to the AC vents for that purpose.
I appreciate the thought, but unless it works up to at least 140F, it won't be useful
I always have my phone screen off while driving since it's hooked up via Android Auto, but I've had my phone shut off many times on warmer days. I'm not sure how I could reasonably shield it from sunlight and use it as a dash cam at the same time.
There are special phone cases/holders designed for that. I'm pretty sure Google will sell those too. Not to mention this might be a camera recording the driver-distraction and not the road. So it doesn't have to be in the sun. Or even for passengers in a driverless car
That seems like it might be reasonable feature to be built in to vehicle, but I can't imagine many people who are that prone to distracted driving to take the time set up such a feature every time they drive.
I have an old iPhone 8 lying around and might try out some dash cam apps for it. Remember seeing a Linus Tech Tips video about how bad most dashcam cameras are, so even though the iPhone 8 camera isn’t stellar the bar is pretty low.
My Pixel 6 Pro gets too hot on my dash that it stops working when it's in the sun. There's even a notification from the device that tells me it's too hot to operate normally!
So I doubt this will work too well unless Pixel >=7 phones perform better under high temperature than mine does.
Ideally it should record video from the main, ultrawide and the front cameras. The ultrawide in case something happens out of the view of the main camera and the front cam in case something hits you from the back (if the phone is mounted so it has visibility through the back window).
You can get dashcams with both forward- and rearward-facing cameras.
But they're mostly used by trucking companies who want to confirm who was driving, tell them off for distracted driving or if they weren't wearing a seatbelt, and so on.
I think this feature would be unpopular if it recorded the camera facing the driver, once a few bad drivers got punished based on evidence from their own camera.
Phones have multiple lenses and sensors, but they don't have multiple sets of sensor readout capacity. Even when the theoretical maximum pixel througput (as in biggest sensor the SoC can be paired with) is big enough on paper to do all sensors in a time division multiplex, I wouldn't be surprised if the switch wasn't fast enough.
(personally I'd love to have a camera app that did all-lens release for stills, I'm of the "beyond point-and-shoot" school of photography, shoot without much pointing, sort them out later)
Samsung has directors view which records front and back simultaneously. Would be surprised if flagship devices can't do this due to hardware limitations.
Yeah, all I could think of was "that's an insane amount of thrashing on the storage on this very expensive phone" alongside my second thought which was: "My Pixel 7 Pro can't record video for more than a couple minutes before it microwaves itself into oblivion, there's absolutely no chance it survives for even a couple seconds as a dashcam."
Bad flash in phones isn't that uncommon or specific to Google. There's at least a few Samsung phones whose flash dies after two years due to a firmware bug in the emmc. Samsung of course never fixed it since they just ran the clock on the warranty. There was at least once individual once refurbishing said failed phones by using a exploit to update said emmc.
There's really no reason for this.
Everyone should have a dashcam, that much I agree on.
But dashcams are cheap(ish), reliable, and you don't have to think much about them.
The whole point, to me at least, is that it's always there, like a silent guardian. We shouldn't have to remember, or fiddle with our phones, or block our field of vision for this.
I spent about $100 on a dual front and rear facing cam. It tucks out of the way, turns on with the vehicle, has shock protection when parked, night vision, etc.
There are already apps for this, its not obvious what the big deal is here unless there is some hardware change providing improvements wrt eg. overheating etc.
I guess a simple mode change built in is a nice idea, but I agree with others who suggest a dedicated wired-in device is always preferable; the phone useful as a backup for rare occasions when the dashcam isn't available or as an interface.
1 - Auto-record when connecting to car bluetooth seems very handy, and possibly only available for a system level feature as opposed to a third party app
2 - Dedicated device is best, but personally my car dash is already overcrowded then with dashcam + navigation + phone.
Flitsmeister is an app that warns you of speed checks. They have an accessory that auto-starts the app when connected over Bluetooth, so I suspect that's not exclusive to first party apps.
of fucking course they will, its so generous of them, totally selfless, nothing else motivating them other than providing a service to the public :eyeroll:
It would be unlawful in the state of California to mount a mobile phone in a position that would make it suitable for this purpose, in the way that most people would do it. Technically you can mount a Pixel-sized device in the furthest corner from the driver but nobody is going to bother doing it that way.
It sounds to me like you if you place it on the dashboard where it's not in the line of sight between the driver and the windshield it wouldn't be something that "obstructs or reduces the driver’s clear view" and so wouldn't be covered?
Could this potentially be used for self-driving or other AI training, now or in the future? I can imagine ways one might use data like that, even without access to the car’s driving inputs and even without having to upload the video anywhere.
Legal issues. Dash cams aren't allowed universally, and even when they are they tend to have restrictions (how it's mounted, how footage is handled, etc). They've just decided dealing with this pain point is not worth the purchase conversions since users can just add one themselves.
There are some brands that have them, usually as an additional package depending on where you are. Like Toyota's Genuine Dash in Canada, Tesla Dashcam, BMW Car Eye, etc.
All you need is a toggle in the settings that is off by default. They also already deal with regional law differences regarding speed camera warnings, so it isn't an insane idea for them to maintain a list of countries where the feature is blocked (although that's not the solution I would prefer)
You would still have a major blind spot if a child or small animal is directly behind your car. The NHTSA estimated it would save over 70 lives per year (an underestimate), which is invaluable considering the small cost.
True, although I already check behind/around my car before I set off.
I appreciate the motivitions of those who think technology is the answer to accident prevention but now you are discouraging people from developing proper safety habits ("I don't need to check around my car because the cameras/sensors will tell me if I'm going to hit something") and then one day a sensor fails or they are driving a car that doesn't have this technology.
I already see this with my wife who has those little blinker lights in her side mirrors that warn if a car is next to you when you are changing lanes. She doesn't really look anymore, just makes sure the lights aren't blinking. I always turn my head and look; I don't trust the sensors and I also set my side mirrors to cover the typical blind spot.
And for those of us who drive minivans, there are huge areas that you just can't see without a back up camera. You still look out windows and check all your mirrors, but being able to see the ground behind your car is important.
Which is why the car will likely have other sensors that yell at you when you are trying to back out and a small object or person is in your blind spot. My backup camera can just see more than I can from the drivers seat, because it is on the very back of the car, which is very useful when my small hatchback is constantly dwarfed by megatrucks on all sides in every parking lot.
I'd prefer cars just add standardized mount points with power and maybe data lines. Then I could install different cheap products I selected, or none at all.
Why would they do that? Cars used to have slots that you could put your own radio in. Then manufacturers figured they make more if they sell you their own system for 2000€.
Their own systems are garbage too. I hate newer cars. I can build a better stereo with 5 speakers for under $500 and it would blow away what any car company can engineer into their 42 speaker stereo.
This is one of my larger personal pet peeves and hills I prefer to die on for no particular reason.
I recently purchased a new car, and it has 23 cameras. 23. I can literally get a 360 degree view of my car on the display, and also directly tap into the rear/front/side cams.
Why the @#$@# is there no port for an NVR, or a built-in NVR at least? Why do I need to deal with running wires through a brand new car, and sticking something ugly to my windshield?
Very frustrating. I know some folks have made mod kits to tap into the equipped cameras for recording, I simply am not that committed to the cause.
As soon as car manufacturers implement dash cams, government will regulate it to require that it records the speed of the car as well, which I think owners will hate and make them want to avoid those models of cars. I think it's gonna end up as damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Google Maps records everything and sends it to the cloud to log your entire journey while using the app. They've made it into a feature to show "average speed" and similar details in the Maps app.
They have your speed, where you began and where you were going. Way more damning.
You car already records your speed. It's not stored forever, but in the event of a crash your last X seconds of speed, throttle, brakes, steering, and more are being stored in a rolling buffer
Without government influence, auto manufacturers already have "black boxes" that record speed and other telemetry. I'm very conscious of the erosion of privacy, but I'm a 40-something computer nerd. People actively, deliberately record themselves doing crimes of all stripes and post it to public social networks.
In the states, there's rampant violation of vehicle-related laws and minimal enforcement (fake temporary tags, deliberate obstruction of real license plates, deeply tinted windshield and driver/passenger glass, not to mention rolling stops and speeding)
Modern cars record their speed today, no one bats an eye. Even before in-car tech could do this, you could passively enforce speeding by using toll booth data, but that doesn't happen. Neither side cares enough to bother.
If you have the app for your auto insurance on your phone, they are probably attempting to track your "misbehavior" through that, in the same way they do with their offerings that use GPS enabled ODBII dongles. Unless it is explicitly, extremely illegal in an execs go to prison kind of way, they will do it.
Neat trick, buy I really don't see this as something I'd use unless I'm in a pinch. Phones (pretty much every phone) will heat up too much in this scenario.
I don't quite understand how this would work physically.
You'll want to be simultaneously using your phone for directions/music/etc., which means that instead of mounting your phone against an air vent or similar just below the windshield...
...you'd need to be mounting this much higher, yet still within arm's reach, so it could see out the windshield but where it would be significantly obstructing your view of the road.
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[ 4.6 ms ] story [ 158 ms ] threadA perfect way to collect information about your driving habits and vehicle. Insurance companies, auto sales and maintenance companies, and others would love to find new customers this way.
Well, there is a long weekend coming up, maybe if I find time despite the huge home project backlog to install CalxyOS, I hate it that I cannot trust my phone to not spy on me and my activities despite everything being turned of. After all, some settings changed after various app updates.
https://grapheneos.org/
this is a great teaser statement
I miss the days of having to open 9 xda threads to figure out how to install some ROM. That whole scene seems to have died off as Android puts up more walls to increase reliance on locked down services
There is also plenty of dedicated dashcam apps and functions in map apps so I'm curious why this Pixel addon brings attention.
That such an important aspect of our lives as privacy would come to be trampled so easily is just mind boggling.
Wisdom of the crowds my a*. The only way you can prevent organized corporate abuse is to have very empowered and savvy regulators that somehow truly work for the interests of the many.
A highly non-trivial catch-22 given that in a democracy they can only draw legitimacy for their actions by appealing to the same inane and manipulated multitudes.
It's bad enough with eCall and the trend to insurances requiring recording blackboxes (or modern cars doing that all on their own), but dashcams? I can already see police demanding laws allowing them to force you to hand them over access to the footage at a roadside traffic stop and them running AI scans on it to see if you ran a stop sign or red light or if you were speeding.
Where there's feeding troughs of data, the pigs will always come to demand being fed (a rough translation of the German saying "Wenn man den Trog hat, kommen die Schweine von ganz alleine").
that said, the risks are not to be taken lightly. even if the recording is only stored locally, it can be seized by authorities or subpoenaed later. you can't guarantee it will only be used to settle minor traffic disputes.
like I said, I'm (mostly) happy to make that decision for myself. but having the government require people to collect evidence against themselves is a hard no from me.
Not an expert on US constitution, but Isn't that a violation?
I think that sort of system makes sense. We shouldn't require dashcam, but any policy which reduces expensive he-said-she-said litigation in our society should be encouraged.
I suspect we'd find a pleasant second-order benefit as well: humans might simply drive better if they know they're being recorded. We know that interactions with the police are much less likely to escalate to the point of violence when both parties are recording each other, and I imagine the same principle could apply to our roads.
>I suspect we'd find a pleasant second-order benefit as well: humans might simply drive better if they know they're being recorded.
If only:
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUoSq8KTzJw (HK crash compilation)
[1] https://m.youtube.com/@hkpkdriving/videos
I was going to refuse my spy dongle, but they offered a >80% discount. Everyone has a price, but I wish the government disincentivized this behavior.
This sounds like a wonderfully non-controversial idea that could save many lives. I'd absolutely use this feature.
I know there are many people that work for Apple & Google on this site - if you needed a nudge, this is it.
When I grew up in Germany it was the ADAC driver training, a half day of driving on a long and wide patch of road almost like an airport apron, and doing different manoeuvres and exercises that made me a much much more humble (and slow) driver.
You can train people all you want but a great many still aren't going to understand the physics of driving and use that to drive more safely.
Driving is for most people an activity imbued with primal feelings and behaviors. Otherwise we'd all be driving small nimble cars in a way that maintained a large safety margin.
In reality our reptilian brains want to be in the biggest vehicle that we can do that we survive the crash, while speeding or tailgating to satisfy whatever need or anxiety that services.
What about in the situation of a theft?
But then you're playing an arms-race game against inventive thieves with jammers and portable Faraday cages.
Another solution is legal. Make a dashcam phone a "Protected Insurance Entity" or some shit. Maybe have it always streaming as part of some Citizens on Patrol Star Watcher campaign. Bump the punishment to federal level insurance fraud.
Jesus, this fucking future.
Obviously, we will save lives, and that is great. It just takes one drunk driver and one teddy bear falling from the sky.
I imagined a future hopping between cyber corps if you have that power.
But this feels different.
After all, if you're parking in a high crime area - would you leave your smartphone on display in the front windscreen?
Good luck with getting stabbed.
(this is a joke, HN)
(Not literally everyone, of course, but it's entirely normal, non-threatening, and fairly common to carry a pocket knife or knife-including-multitool in the US—anywhere you go that's not screening for metal objects, some of the people there probably have knives, it's not on anyone's radar as something to be worried about. It's like being warned that everyone's wearing underwear, or something)
These sort of things are what they mean: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=zombie+knife&iax=images&ia=images
(Used to be Glasgow, these days it's London, always young men in "gang" contexts)
This means the original "tape a knife to the dashcam" gag would be illegal. For car self-defence purposes you're better off with a tyre iron, "breaker bar", socket extender or something else that's a plausible car tool that you just happen to grab.
Right, yeah, I got the intent, it just comes off real goofy in a place where sometimes you see people open-carrying guns, and a hell of a lot more are concealed-carrying, and I was certainly imagining long-side-of-normal folding pocket knives, not something closer to combat knives.
Thanks for explaining, the context does help.
here in the real world, if you want your phone to be a dashcam, you've been able to do that with an app for over a decade.
what we need is the phone to natively convert between british, us, and metric, specifically for paprika measurements during the cooking of various dishes. google should put those conversions in the first top-swipe. if you swipe again, then you see notifications. if you swipe a third time, it'll tell you that you've turned your data off, and give you an option to turn it back on. forth time swipe you'll be able to adjust brightness.
Edit: Whoops - the article mentions that.
> We also wonder about how Personal Safety will be able to do this type of always-on recording without generating excess heat, especially if your phone needs to be mounted in a position that’s likely to see a lot of direct sunlight.
That's what I immediately thought of. I can't see this working too well unless they solve the overheating issues.
I had my Google Pixel 7 Pro shut down due to overheating, on a reasonably hot day (~35C) where I was walking around and taking a bunch of photos.
I had to use my hands to absorb the heat, to cool it down enough to turn back on so I could call a Taxi and get somewhere cool.
this issue needs to be handled by the device and not with external resources
That sun is murder on hot phones.
A lot of different technical decisions have been made by different people along the way.
The Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 was made on Samsung's fabs. The 8+ Gen 1 is the same design on TSMC.
To be clear, this is for Samsung's processor foundries. Their DRAM and flash memory still appear to be industry leaders.
It's just the gap has become more noticeable in recent years. (Notably with things like the Snapdragon 888 handwarmer).
A sibling comment to yours points out that TSMC has better processes. That's probably a better way to state it, they can hit a tighter spec at the same price point.
Components being equivalent within spec doesn't mean they have the same performance. It only means they are all acceptable for their intended use. That's why the Apple A9 from TSCM were performing better than the Samsung ones in the same way batches of products made from the same blueprints can have widely different failure rates.
These are quality of manufacturing issues and yes it is due to TSCM having better processes than Samsung. That's not a better way to state it. One is the reason of the other.
It's the sun heating up the black non-reflective back of screen. Probably wouldn't be as much of an issue with transreflective displays. The display showing full brightness definitely contributes to the problem, but it's not the main culprit.
Though I agree with others here that a cheap specialized dashcam device is much better.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dashmap/id1638360259
I appreciate the thought, but unless it works up to at least 140F, it won't be useful
I'm not sure why you would want to use your phone to record yourself while driving to see if you're distracted.
So I doubt this will work too well unless Pixel >=7 phones perform better under high temperature than mine does.
But they're mostly used by trucking companies who want to confirm who was driving, tell them off for distracted driving or if they weren't wearing a seatbelt, and so on.
I think this feature would be unpopular if it recorded the camera facing the driver, once a few bad drivers got punished based on evidence from their own camera.
(personally I'd love to have a camera app that did all-lens release for stills, I'm of the "beyond point-and-shoot" school of photography, shoot without much pointing, sort them out later)
That's wrong, Android has multi-camera API since Android 9 (API level 28). Modern phones can record 2 or sometimes 3 camera streams simultaneously.
Maybe Google Maps will next come with "Record your journey!" mode...
- The Android SMS/RCS client
- Google Chat, accessible through both Gmail and a dedicated app
and one video chat system (Google Meet). In the past few years, they've consolidated their communications products.
This comment applies to Android phones that wouldn't let this thing write to a micro-SD card, of course.
I had a pixel 3xl bricking after an update. They get a lot of updates and wear the ?cheap flash
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/rt6tn9/my_pixe...
https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/mmcn93/my_pixe...
https://old.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/xtwgap/pixel_5...
you can, at your discretion, load self-driving software (openpilot), which can take over driving for you, in addition to maintaining dashcam footage
they have a subscription that will store footage in the cloud too, iirc
https://github.com/commaai/openpilot
But dashcams are cheap(ish), reliable, and you don't have to think much about them.
The whole point, to me at least, is that it's always there, like a silent guardian. We shouldn't have to remember, or fiddle with our phones, or block our field of vision for this.
I spent about $100 on a dual front and rear facing cam. It tucks out of the way, turns on with the vehicle, has shock protection when parked, night vision, etc.
I guess a simple mode change built in is a nice idea, but I agree with others who suggest a dedicated wired-in device is always preferable; the phone useful as a backup for rare occasions when the dashcam isn't available or as an interface.
1 - Auto-record when connecting to car bluetooth seems very handy, and possibly only available for a system level feature as opposed to a third party app
2 - Dedicated device is best, but personally my car dash is already overcrowded then with dashcam + navigation + phone.
Getting rid of SD cards is the worst thing to happen to phones in a while.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
Also useful for bicycles and motorbikes. Phone mounts go on the handlebars, so this CVC (windshield mounting) wouldn't apply.
There are some brands that have them, usually as an additional package depending on where you are. Like Toyota's Genuine Dash in Canada, Tesla Dashcam, BMW Car Eye, etc.
I'd like to see your source for that claim!
I appreciate the motivitions of those who think technology is the answer to accident prevention but now you are discouraging people from developing proper safety habits ("I don't need to check around my car because the cameras/sensors will tell me if I'm going to hit something") and then one day a sensor fails or they are driving a car that doesn't have this technology.
I already see this with my wife who has those little blinker lights in her side mirrors that warn if a car is next to you when you are changing lanes. She doesn't really look anymore, just makes sure the lights aren't blinking. I always turn my head and look; I don't trust the sensors and I also set my side mirrors to cover the typical blind spot.
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15131074/how-to-adjus...
I recently purchased a new car, and it has 23 cameras. 23. I can literally get a 360 degree view of my car on the display, and also directly tap into the rear/front/side cams.
Why the @#$@# is there no port for an NVR, or a built-in NVR at least? Why do I need to deal with running wires through a brand new car, and sticking something ugly to my windshield?
Very frustrating. I know some folks have made mod kits to tap into the equipped cameras for recording, I simply am not that committed to the cause.
Why would a camera force this regulation when every car already has a ... speedometer?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/p...
They have your speed, where you began and where you were going. Way more damning.
https://www.govtech.com/fs/in-car-devices-records-informatio...
http://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/pubs/OM/AH/AT202222IOM/en...
In the states, there's rampant violation of vehicle-related laws and minimal enforcement (fake temporary tags, deliberate obstruction of real license plates, deeply tinted windshield and driver/passenger glass, not to mention rolling stops and speeding)
Modern cars record their speed today, no one bats an eye. Even before in-car tech could do this, you could passively enforce speeding by using toll booth data, but that doesn't happen. Neither side cares enough to bother.
Some EU countries do that on tollways but don't keep them always-on because they generate too many tickets to handle.
You'll want to be simultaneously using your phone for directions/music/etc., which means that instead of mounting your phone against an air vent or similar just below the windshield...
...you'd need to be mounting this much higher, yet still within arm's reach, so it could see out the windshield but where it would be significantly obstructing your view of the road.
I don't see how that would be safe at all.