I haven't read the novel, and yes, Theroux is generally a good writer, but I'm not really seeing the point of writing a novel about Orwell's time in Burma. It's not like Orwell hid this part of his past -- he wrote a novel of his own (Burmese Days) influenced by his time there, and some of his more famous essays e.g. Shooting an Elephant deal with his time as a colonial police officer.
Nah, the purpose of propaganda is to control which subset of infinitely complex reality will get remembered.
Make enough people associate Orwell's works with the dark pages of his past, and the focus will shift from the ideas of the works to the identity of the writer. Then use it to attack those who still dare to bring up those ideas, and you have driven them off the public's attention span for good.
Literature's power lies in it's low cost and broad viewpoints. And whatever topic became popular because they reflect the times.
We must be in trouble, given Orwell became so popular. Extra so if powers that be deemed worthwhile to character assassinate someone who writes "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". It should have never gotten as popular as it did.
I believe the observation is that a counterculture is preceded by a culture to be countered. OP is drawing observations that this is a counterculture which is rising in popularity. As such, they claim that one or more current prevalent cultures must be those of which Orwell has written in opposition.
Right, but that is only true to the degree that it is true. History is filled with humans fighting/worshipping imaginary things. At the level of realtime reality (especially, but not exclusively), the epistemic status of a proposition is often 100% irrelevant.
Neuroscience, consciousness, culture, etc seems simple but they are actually the opposite, that is a key part of why the illusion is so convincing.
The neoliberalism of the 80s was a conservative movement, but it was still liberal, it still allowed for the proliferations of basic freedoms, and people's lives (depending on where you lived in the world) either stayed mostly the same or improved dramatically.
Now that neoliberalism is falling apart, and the world is careening towards an ecological catastrophe, and no established state government is able to manage the crisis, totalitarian powers are coming to prominence to fill in the gap for people's despair: but little do they know, these leaders (or at least the people actually running the show) don't even care about their people, they care about transforming the human world into a purely aesthetic, destructive, violent and chaotic place for the purposes of some sort of sublime limit-breaking enjoyment beyond what can be achieved under the regular conditions of capitalism--the ritual sacrifice of the entire world.
Now, if you don't get duped by these Nazi types, then you'd want to figure out a way to resist that, but even democratic socialism and anti-fascism are not enough: recall that the Nazis only ever came to power because the German revolution failed, because the SDP (social democratic party) intentionally bombed it so they could retain parlimentary power, and employed who would later become the SA, the Freikorps, to do the dirty work and kill all the revolutionaries.
In fact, the political ideology one would have to adopt under these circumstances could not be positively described, since all positivity gets swept under the totalizing system of neoliberal (or what the Frankfurt school called late) capitalism. The power of fascism is a kind of rationalizing of what is essentially irrational: the destruction of all humanity for a new machine god (call it AI or whatever you want). The rationality that overcomes this irrationality would appear within the irrational rationality as itself totally irrational. Something completely crazy, but in fact its so crazy that it starts to become the only thing that makes sense: demands that reach well beyond the stars. Its like Charles Fourier, who "claimed a shift in our local cosmic conditions would change the chemical makeup of the earth’s oceans, so that they would taste like lemonade."[0] It may sound absurd, but why is it more absurd than choosing to live in a society that is actively trying to kill you?
It's inspiring to imagine subversive writers bravely speaking truth to
power, when the reality is they're just observing the mundanity of
their own time, then later as world shifts into insanity their
commonplace objections to ordinary injustice look like unspeakable
challenges.
Not saying that does not happen sometimes. In this case, Orwell was a volunteer in the Spanish civil war. I think that places him pretty strongly in the speaking truth to power and not hypocritically.
Definitely not hypocritically. I would never say that of Orwell who
was the real deal.
Just saying that most of us cannot see the implications of our
thoughts in our own epoch. Most dystopian authors playfully hope
they're wrong. So I think when Orwell penned his best anti-fascist
works the world was already on an optimistic post-war trajectory,
seeing an "arc of history that bends toward justice". Nobody had
anticipated technofascism is its emerging forms.
Fascism has no false pretense of equality across races and peoples, which is clearly what Animal Farm was referring to, but Communism does. Orwell deliberately doesn’t name the ideology but clearly Fascism isn’t the only authoritarian ideology that Orwell was criticizing in his body of work.
Absolutely right. But what I've noticed is, it's acceptable to
characterise technological authoritarianism and anti-humanism as
"technofascism". Because we "all hate fascists" right? It's almost de
rigueur. But naming it as "techno-communism" [0] or mentioning the
Cosmist connection to techno-utopianism normally gets me marked down
in these parts. Odd what waters flow underground.
As someone who has lived in a communist country It hurts when I hear communism is good in theory or that true communism has never been tried. Yes it has and its awful.
There are authors who wrote about common sense things about ordinary injustices or follies of their time, which because of today's brand of insanity come to appear uniquely poignant and prophetic. But Orwell wasn't that, or wasn't mainly that.
Orwell had lived through a hell of a lot of non-mundanity (British colonialism, Spain's civil war, Nazism and World War II, Stalinism) whose injustices he wrote about.
It's not like he just wrote about 1940's common places against ordinary injustices.
Just finished his "Down and out in Paris and London"[1] about life in extreme poverty as an unemployed man, as a low-wage worker and as a tramp in the 1930s. A good read and a short book.
I concur. This was on Chris Beiser's "Alpha List" (he asked Twitter what books no one else would recommend that would yield alpha; so far it's a good set of books).
We had it in English Literature class at some point. Also Animal Farm by him. His 1984, I think I read on my own. I heard from older people that when 1984 rolled around, many people bought the book, thinking the date was meant literally.
"Really good" is a baffling take on a post that accuses Orwell of being "extraordinarily uninterested in socialism" despite voluntarily joining and fighting in a socialist revolution.
If picking up a rifle and traveling to a foreign country to participate in their socialist revolution isn't enough to bury any accusations of not being a true believer, I can't imagine what is.
While I haven't read yet Orwell's Ode to Catalonia, I highly recommend the movie Libertarias, a fictional movie based on same period, focused on a feminist militant anarchist group https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarias
> If picking up a rifle and traveling to a foreign country to participate in their socialist revolution isn't enough to bury any accusations of not being a true believer, I can't imagine what is.
I had the impression that he went more for fighting fascism than fighting for a socialist revolution.
The Spanish Civil War was certainly not a 'socialist revolution', even though all the communist factions fought on the same side. It was more akin to the French Revolution where the goal was to set up a republican form of government. This is kind of like saying the Democratic Party of the US is a socialist party because socialists caucus with and support them. Socialist government in Spain was never on the table, so calling it a socialist / Marxist revolution is just silly.
More to the point, Blair thought he needed socialist credentials to get invited into the war, but couldn't actually get them because the socialists didn't trust him, looks like for very good reason. He got in instead using his Labour contacts, which was far more conventionally liberal. He really didn't care at all about socialism, he just hated fascism.
1984 wasn't anti-socialism, he actually had very little to say about it, all his criticisms were aimed at fascist totalitarianism, IngSoc was only socialist in name. Nothing owned and controlled by the people, everything controlled by the government.
So many critiques of 1984 seem to boil down to "I'd really like 1984 to be a political treatise in favour of my ideology, but it isn't!"
All of the things this article says are bad about 1984 are the things that make it a good novel:
- It has a complex main character who is deeply flawed and far from an ideal revolutionary.
- It isn't especially concerned with accurately modelling a plausible political system, and instead describes an emotive representation of the author's fears for the future.
- Many of it's themes are aesthetic or subjective.
- It doesn't try to offer a concrete alternative, giving the whole thing a sense of hopelessness.
It's a terrible novel. It's iconic, I'll give you that, but there are lots of badly-written, yet iconic books. (Looking at you Bukowski) The main character isn't complex at all. There's no depth at all to Winston. He's not a revolutionary in any fashion whatsoever. I didn't realize the extent to which he was a complete author-insert until I read Johnston's essay though. I wasn't expecting a political treatise, but I would have liked a better thought out world with characters that have actual motivations. The only character with any kind of motivation at all in the whole book is O'Brian.
>The main character isn't complex at all. There's no depth at all to Winston.
Of course everyone has their own response to any piece of art but I find this criticism very surprising. Even the "takedown" article you posted pretty clearly shows Winston to be a complex character (especially in relation to the role he is cast in):
"From the very beginning of his supposed revolt against the Party, Winston simply assumes that he will not be victorious"
"Winston’s revolt against the situation is based in large part on his sense of physical disgust with icky surroundings, far more (I would argue) than it’s based on any coherent ideological or humanitarian critique... Winston is repelled more by the crappy cigarettes, and the fact that people use ugly English, and the malodorous sweatiness of Parsons, and the nastiness of the food, and the forgetting of nursery rhymes, than he is by the way the system he lives in is forcing people to live as slaves in terror of death and torture."
"Winston’s sexuality is really weird, mixed up as it is with his general uninterest in other people, his contempt for the Party and a general dislike of women"
"The closest Winston comes to thinking that there is any hope of positive social change is when he thinks about the proles; but he doesn’t know any proles, he doesn’t like being around them, he thinks they smell (of course), he doesn’t believe that they are capable of independent thought or action, and what ‘faith’ he has in them is shown to be completely groundless and abstract"
"As would-be rebels go, Winston is strikingly inactive and incurious. When Winston and Julia form their little two-person cell, do they talk to each other about the world they live in, and try to figure out its true nature, and what, if anything, they can do to shake the system? No. They have sex and drink black market coffee."
Seems like a pretty complex guy to me, and much more interesting as a character than the ideologically motivated revolutionary that Johnston seems to want him to be.
The material for Down and Out in Paris and London was due to his disgust and self-loathing which arose from his time serving as a lapdog of the Colonial Raj. Following his time as a dishwasher (plongeur) in Paris and the ensuing poverty - which he characterised as an intensely boring endeavor - he moved to the UK and lived amongst the tramps - following them from spike to spike and writing travelogues.
In Road to Wigan Pier - to the decry of mainstream Marxists - he noted that blind opposition to landlords is nuanced in working class coal mining communities. Generally the property would have been the only source of income for an old widow. I believe that's the project in which he remarked that, "The working classes smell."
> Generally the property would have been the only source of income for an old widow.
"Ideally, the worst type of slum landlord is a fat wicked man, preferably a bishop, who is drawing an immense income from extortionate rents. Actually, it is a poor old woman who has invested her life's savings in three slum houses, inhabits one of them, and tries to live on the rent of the other two — never, in consequence, having any money for repairs."
“[A] world in which it is wrong to murder an individual civilian and right to drop a thousand tons of high explosive on a residential area does sometimes make me wonder whether this earth of ours is not a loony bin made use of by some other planet.”
George Orwell (31 December 1943)
“Take away freedom of speech, and the creative faculties dry up.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.”
“The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.”
“The primary aim of modern warfare is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living.”
“Totalitarianism, however, does not so much promise an age of faith as an age of schizophrenia. A society becomes totalitarian when its structure becomes flagrantly artificial: that is, when its ruling class has lost its function but succeeds in clinging to power by force or fraud. Such a society, no matter how long it persists, can never afford to become either tolerant or intellectually stable. It can never permit either the truthful recording of facts or the emotional sincerity that literary creation demands.”
I guess welcome to the age of schizophrenia. For those who are interested, his membership of the Fabian Society is key to understanding how he was so spot on about today's world (eg: planned). Wolf in sheeps clothing indeed.
"All propaganda is a lie, even when it is telling the truth"
"War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it."
"It is the same in all wars; the soldiers do the fighting, the journalists do the shouting, and no true patriot ever gets near a front-line trench, except on the briefest of propaganda-tours."
"It is sometimes a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is changing the conditions of warfare. In the next great war, we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him."
"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence: in other words it is war minus the shooting."
"To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle."
I strongly recommend the four-volume Penguin edition of his collected journalism and essays.
“[A] world in which it is wrong to murder an individual civilian and right to drop a thousand tons of high explosive on a residential area does sometimes make me wonder whether this earth of ours is not a loony bin made use of by some other planet.” George Orwell (31 December 1943)
This holds NO candle the the candor of Robert McNamara talking about fire bombing Japan in WWII. If you have never seen "fog of war" the documentary interview of him go and see it. The context of "McNamara's Morons" and forest Gump is lost on so many...
>“[A] world in which it is wrong to murder an individual civilian and right to drop a thousand tons of high explosive on a residential area does sometimes make me wonder whether this earth of ours is not a loony bin made use of by some other planet.” George Orwell (31 December 1943)
That's a neat quote. I wonder what Orwell thought of the manufactured famines in Ireland and India, or the British East India Company going to war with China so they make them purchase opium.
Readers who appreciate Orwell's work will also likely appreciate Darkness at Noon by Arthur Koestler.
The latter's novel inspired Orwell on how to highlight dystopian ideas, and convinced Orwell that fiction is the medium best suited for this. It's a good read (and so is his research-oriented book "The Sleepwalkers" giving a history of physics/cosmology up to modern science - modern in Koestler's time).
Nice. Will check out Koestler. On this idea that fiction is the most
powerful medium for approaching ideas around the
authoritarian/dystopian mind-set, I some time ago discovered the
corollary that literature like Shelley, Forster, Wells.. is the
perfect entry point into cybersecurity for non-technical people. Most
of the subtleties of hacks, scams, power grabs, manipulations, come
alive through literary idioms.
Just put it out there, If you love Orwell then Christopher Hitchens on
Orwell is like the whole pudding, coffee and after-dinner mints. He's
my fave Orwell scholar and throws a lot of light on the life, thoughts
and implications of the writer.
Indeed, The chauvinism is ugly and a real turn-off. But even as a
Christian I loved his ballsy bitchynes, coining things like antitheism
- because just not believing in god isn't enough... shame he left the
stage too young.
Hitchens is pretty awful imo. Tried to paint himself as some type of lefty, as he got older agitated for war and just drank himself to death. That, and the weird new atheist sthick....he was a good writer when he was younger, but he was a careerist more than anything else.
Easily the most overrated writer of the last twenty five years, whose fame seems sustained by his chumminess with journalists and his preference for making loud, uninformed, combative statements that don’t hold up under much scrutiny. A man fit for the times, it seems.
Arrogant, chauvinistic, and know-it-all, when he was just of mediocre education at best (compared to much more substantial public intellectuals - yes, he went to Oxbridge, but he just had a run-of-the-mill degree and grades, like thousands of others every year). His takes on literature and other subjects were too shallow.
He did put on a good show, which TV and the press loved.
The British colonial recipe that Orwell was immersed in seems to have been: (1) gain entry to a country via stablishing trade relations with the local economy, (2) identify likely ethno-religious groups that can be armed and encouraged to overthrow the ruling power, (3) establish leaders from those minority groups as the new political power, while (4) ensuring that those new leaders are reliant on British Empire for their continued grasp on power. At its worst the result was the rise of slave-trading outfits like Britain's Royal Africa Company.
The opposing view is that Britain's ex-colonial possessions should count themselves lucky to have been colonized by the British, who built trains, schools and hospitals, as compared to the French, Spanish or Belgian versions, so it was all okay. The British, they say, would have loved to have been colonized by a superior culture, only one wasn't available.
In Burmese Days, the only character who seems to really understand the system and thrive within it is one of the story's villains, U Po Kyin. He might have served as a template for Napoleon in Animal Farm:
> “No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”
"That’s the thing about Orwell’s Imperialism: it’s perfectly ordinary stuff, distinguished only by the socialist persona he invented to speak it. As an example of literary dissembling, Orwell belongs with the great forgers. But as a man of ideas, he is truly beneath contempt. His ideas are simply the hatreds of his nursery, hidden by an elaborate self-glorifying backstory."
"Ah, but what about Spain? Orwell put his life fighting for POUM in the Spanish Civil War. He got himself shot in the neck-pretty high risks for a phony socialist. How do I explain that one?
Actually, it’s simple. Orwell went to Spain to fight for his most deeply held belief, yes. Unfortunately, that belief wasn’t socialism but the nastiest, most puerile of the tribal hatreds English babies learn in the cradle: anti-Catholicism."
I just couldn't keep reading after that. I like John Dolan's analyses in the War Nerd podcast but this essay seems unhinged. Did he write this at the time the Exiled staff were smashing each other in the face with horse semen pies? Seems like a lot of edginess and projection.
> Did he write this at the time the Exiled staff were smashing each other in the face with horse semen pies? Seems like a lot of edginess and projection.
Chronologically I think this comes after the horse semen pies.
It's not a stretch to think a middle class Englishmen from the early 20th century hates catholics, and that this bigotry (along with his other pet hates) pop up in his writing.
As far as Orwell being a socialist....don't forget he ratted out British socialist to British intelligence.
I don't think Orwell was ever a "man of ideas" and I don't think he would have seen himself as such either.
His writing is partly journalistic, partly literary.He's never really trying to assemble a coherent ideological or philosophical argument.
He's reporting what he sees and reflecting on the world he lives in and his place in it. He can see profound problems and injustices, but is deeply skeptical that any of the ideologies of his time provide solutions. But he is also acutely aware, I think, that he doesn't really have any better ideas. There's a profound anxiety and uncertainty than runs throughout Orwell's writing.
For me, this is what makes him a good writer. Judging him on not being "properly" socialist or anti-imperialist or whatever is completely missing the point.
> Judging him on not being "properly" socialist or anti-imperialist or whatever is completely missing the point.
But there are people who put him on the pedestal. His claimed by the left, and western leftists love to argue over who is "more socialist" than the other. His time in Spain, books like Animal Farm and 1984...they're held up as examples of Orwell being a better leftist than others.
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[ 4.9 ms ] story [ 111 ms ] threadMake enough people associate Orwell's works with the dark pages of his past, and the focus will shift from the ideas of the works to the identity of the writer. Then use it to attack those who still dare to bring up those ideas, and you have driven them off the public's attention span for good.
RIP
O well ...
We must be in trouble, given Orwell became so popular. Extra so if powers that be deemed worthwhile to character assassinate someone who writes "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". It should have never gotten as popular as it did.
At least, that’s my interpretation.
Neuroscience, consciousness, culture, etc seems simple but they are actually the opposite, that is a key part of why the illusion is so convincing.
Now that neoliberalism is falling apart, and the world is careening towards an ecological catastrophe, and no established state government is able to manage the crisis, totalitarian powers are coming to prominence to fill in the gap for people's despair: but little do they know, these leaders (or at least the people actually running the show) don't even care about their people, they care about transforming the human world into a purely aesthetic, destructive, violent and chaotic place for the purposes of some sort of sublime limit-breaking enjoyment beyond what can be achieved under the regular conditions of capitalism--the ritual sacrifice of the entire world.
Now, if you don't get duped by these Nazi types, then you'd want to figure out a way to resist that, but even democratic socialism and anti-fascism are not enough: recall that the Nazis only ever came to power because the German revolution failed, because the SDP (social democratic party) intentionally bombed it so they could retain parlimentary power, and employed who would later become the SA, the Freikorps, to do the dirty work and kill all the revolutionaries.
In fact, the political ideology one would have to adopt under these circumstances could not be positively described, since all positivity gets swept under the totalizing system of neoliberal (or what the Frankfurt school called late) capitalism. The power of fascism is a kind of rationalizing of what is essentially irrational: the destruction of all humanity for a new machine god (call it AI or whatever you want). The rationality that overcomes this irrationality would appear within the irrational rationality as itself totally irrational. Something completely crazy, but in fact its so crazy that it starts to become the only thing that makes sense: demands that reach well beyond the stars. Its like Charles Fourier, who "claimed a shift in our local cosmic conditions would change the chemical makeup of the earth’s oceans, so that they would taste like lemonade."[0] It may sound absurd, but why is it more absurd than choosing to live in a society that is actively trying to kill you?
[0]https://publicdomainreview.org/essay/get-thee-to-a-phalanste...
Any time a comment goes, "So you're saying...<ridiculous explanation>" the commenter is unable to say anything more intelligent.
Just saying that most of us cannot see the implications of our thoughts in our own epoch. Most dystopian authors playfully hope they're wrong. So I think when Orwell penned his best anti-fascist works the world was already on an optimistic post-war trajectory, seeing an "arc of history that bends toward justice". Nobody had anticipated technofascism is its emerging forms.
Fascism has no false pretense of equality across races and peoples, which is clearly what Animal Farm was referring to, but Communism does. Orwell deliberately doesn’t name the ideology but clearly Fascism isn’t the only authoritarian ideology that Orwell was criticizing in his body of work.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fully_automated_luxury_communi...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cosmism
Orwell had lived through a hell of a lot of non-mundanity (British colonialism, Spain's civil war, Nazism and World War II, Stalinism) whose injustices he wrote about.
It's not like he just wrote about 1940's common places against ordinary injustices.
When an author is promoted by the CIA, it is probably not that subversive. Or perhaps it is subversive in a differet way than the reader think.
[1] https://annas-archive.org/md5/6486c7cb2f83f4a97cc02728ff77c2... (Public domain)
If picking up a rifle and traveling to a foreign country to participate in their socialist revolution isn't enough to bury any accusations of not being a true believer, I can't imagine what is.
Loosely bases on the book
I had the impression that he went more for fighting fascism than fighting for a socialist revolution.
More to the point, Blair thought he needed socialist credentials to get invited into the war, but couldn't actually get them because the socialists didn't trust him, looks like for very good reason. He got in instead using his Labour contacts, which was far more conventionally liberal. He really didn't care at all about socialism, he just hated fascism.
1984 wasn't anti-socialism, he actually had very little to say about it, all his criticisms were aimed at fascist totalitarianism, IngSoc was only socialist in name. Nothing owned and controlled by the people, everything controlled by the government.
All of the things this article says are bad about 1984 are the things that make it a good novel:
- It has a complex main character who is deeply flawed and far from an ideal revolutionary. - It isn't especially concerned with accurately modelling a plausible political system, and instead describes an emotive representation of the author's fears for the future. - Many of it's themes are aesthetic or subjective. - It doesn't try to offer a concrete alternative, giving the whole thing a sense of hopelessness.
Of course everyone has their own response to any piece of art but I find this criticism very surprising. Even the "takedown" article you posted pretty clearly shows Winston to be a complex character (especially in relation to the role he is cast in):
"From the very beginning of his supposed revolt against the Party, Winston simply assumes that he will not be victorious"
"Winston’s revolt against the situation is based in large part on his sense of physical disgust with icky surroundings, far more (I would argue) than it’s based on any coherent ideological or humanitarian critique... Winston is repelled more by the crappy cigarettes, and the fact that people use ugly English, and the malodorous sweatiness of Parsons, and the nastiness of the food, and the forgetting of nursery rhymes, than he is by the way the system he lives in is forcing people to live as slaves in terror of death and torture."
"Winston’s sexuality is really weird, mixed up as it is with his general uninterest in other people, his contempt for the Party and a general dislike of women"
"The closest Winston comes to thinking that there is any hope of positive social change is when he thinks about the proles; but he doesn’t know any proles, he doesn’t like being around them, he thinks they smell (of course), he doesn’t believe that they are capable of independent thought or action, and what ‘faith’ he has in them is shown to be completely groundless and abstract"
"As would-be rebels go, Winston is strikingly inactive and incurious. When Winston and Julia form their little two-person cell, do they talk to each other about the world they live in, and try to figure out its true nature, and what, if anything, they can do to shake the system? No. They have sex and drink black market coffee."
Seems like a pretty complex guy to me, and much more interesting as a character than the ideologically motivated revolutionary that Johnston seems to want him to be.
In Road to Wigan Pier - to the decry of mainstream Marxists - he noted that blind opposition to landlords is nuanced in working class coal mining communities. Generally the property would have been the only source of income for an old widow. I believe that's the project in which he remarked that, "The working classes smell."
"Ideally, the worst type of slum landlord is a fat wicked man, preferably a bishop, who is drawing an immense income from extortionate rents. Actually, it is a poor old woman who has invested her life's savings in three slum houses, inhabits one of them, and tries to live on the rent of the other two — never, in consequence, having any money for repairs."
“[A] world in which it is wrong to murder an individual civilian and right to drop a thousand tons of high explosive on a residential area does sometimes make me wonder whether this earth of ours is not a loony bin made use of by some other planet.” George Orwell (31 December 1943)
“Take away freedom of speech, and the creative faculties dry up.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.”
“The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.”
“The primary aim of modern warfare is to use up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living.”
“Totalitarianism, however, does not so much promise an age of faith as an age of schizophrenia. A society becomes totalitarian when its structure becomes flagrantly artificial: that is, when its ruling class has lost its function but succeeds in clinging to power by force or fraud. Such a society, no matter how long it persists, can never afford to become either tolerant or intellectually stable. It can never permit either the truthful recording of facts or the emotional sincerity that literary creation demands.”
I guess welcome to the age of schizophrenia. For those who are interested, his membership of the Fabian Society is key to understanding how he was so spot on about today's world (eg: planned). Wolf in sheeps clothing indeed.
https://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=FabianSociety&C...
"War against a foreign country only happens when the moneyed classes think they are going to profit from it."
"It is the same in all wars; the soldiers do the fighting, the journalists do the shouting, and no true patriot ever gets near a front-line trench, except on the briefest of propaganda-tours."
"It is sometimes a comfort to me to think that the aeroplane is changing the conditions of warfare. In the next great war, we may see that sight unprecedented in all history, a jingo with a bullet-hole in him."
"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence: in other words it is war minus the shooting."
"To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle."
I strongly recommend the four-volume Penguin edition of his collected journalism and essays.
This holds NO candle the the candor of Robert McNamara talking about fire bombing Japan in WWII. If you have never seen "fog of war" the documentary interview of him go and see it. The context of "McNamara's Morons" and forest Gump is lost on so many...
That's a neat quote. I wonder what Orwell thought of the manufactured famines in Ireland and India, or the British East India Company going to war with China so they make them purchase opium.
The latter's novel inspired Orwell on how to highlight dystopian ideas, and convinced Orwell that fiction is the medium best suited for this. It's a good read (and so is his research-oriented book "The Sleepwalkers" giving a history of physics/cosmology up to modern science - modern in Koestler's time).
He did put on a good show, which TV and the press loved.
The opposing view is that Britain's ex-colonial possessions should count themselves lucky to have been colonized by the British, who built trains, schools and hospitals, as compared to the French, Spanish or Belgian versions, so it was all okay. The British, they say, would have loved to have been colonized by a superior culture, only one wasn't available.
In Burmese Days, the only character who seems to really understand the system and thrive within it is one of the story's villains, U Po Kyin. He might have served as a template for Napoleon in Animal Farm:
> “No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?”
"That’s the thing about Orwell’s Imperialism: it’s perfectly ordinary stuff, distinguished only by the socialist persona he invented to speak it. As an example of literary dissembling, Orwell belongs with the great forgers. But as a man of ideas, he is truly beneath contempt. His ideas are simply the hatreds of his nursery, hidden by an elaborate self-glorifying backstory."
Your article's main thesis is "how dare he do that!" (before rejecting imperialism).
Actually, it’s simple. Orwell went to Spain to fight for his most deeply held belief, yes. Unfortunately, that belief wasn’t socialism but the nastiest, most puerile of the tribal hatreds English babies learn in the cradle: anti-Catholicism."
I just couldn't keep reading after that. I like John Dolan's analyses in the War Nerd podcast but this essay seems unhinged. Did he write this at the time the Exiled staff were smashing each other in the face with horse semen pies? Seems like a lot of edginess and projection.
Chronologically I think this comes after the horse semen pies.
It's not a stretch to think a middle class Englishmen from the early 20th century hates catholics, and that this bigotry (along with his other pet hates) pop up in his writing.
As far as Orwell being a socialist....don't forget he ratted out British socialist to British intelligence.
His writing is partly journalistic, partly literary.He's never really trying to assemble a coherent ideological or philosophical argument.
He's reporting what he sees and reflecting on the world he lives in and his place in it. He can see profound problems and injustices, but is deeply skeptical that any of the ideologies of his time provide solutions. But he is also acutely aware, I think, that he doesn't really have any better ideas. There's a profound anxiety and uncertainty than runs throughout Orwell's writing.
For me, this is what makes him a good writer. Judging him on not being "properly" socialist or anti-imperialist or whatever is completely missing the point.
But there are people who put him on the pedestal. His claimed by the left, and western leftists love to argue over who is "more socialist" than the other. His time in Spain, books like Animal Farm and 1984...they're held up as examples of Orwell being a better leftist than others.