It completely misses the point of the question though.
The question is not asking about parsing in the sense of matching start tags with end tags, which is indeed not possible with a regex.
The question is about lexing, for which regex is the ideal tool. The solution is somewhat more complex than the question suggest since you have to exclude tags embedded in comments or CDATA sections, but it is definitely doable using a regex.
I agree with its points. But I absolutely love these two bits that are off the topic.
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One of my first jobs was parsing XML with Regular Expressions. Like TFA the goal was not to construct the entire document tree, but rather extract data. It worked great!
One really nasty thing I've encountered when scraping old webpages:
<p>
Hello, <i>World
</p>
<!--
And then the server decides to insert a pagination point
in the middle of this multi-paragraph thought-quote or whatever.
-->
<p>
Goodbye,</i> Moon
</p>
XHTML really isn't hard (try it: just change your mime type (often, just rename your files), add the xmlns and then doing a scream test - mostly, self-close your tags, make sure your scripts/stylesheets are separate files, but also don't rely on implicit `<tbody>` or anything), people really should use it more. I do admit I like HTML for hand-writing things like tables, but they should be transformed before publishing.
Now, if only there were a sane way to do CSS ... currently, it's prone to the old "truncated download is indistinguishable from correct EOF" flaw if you aren't using chunking. You can sort of fix this by having the last rule in the file be `#no-css {display:none;}` but that scales poorly if you have multiple non-alternate stylesheets, unless I'm missing something.
(MJS is not sane in quite a few ways, but at least it doesn't have this degree of problems)
I would use XHTML but IIUC no browser have streaming XHTML parsers so the performance is much worse than the horror of HTML.
And now that HTML is strictly specified it is complex to get your emitter working correctly (example: you need to know which tags are self closing to properly serialize HTML) but once you do a good job it just works.
>What Wikipedia doesn't immediately convey is that XML is horribly complex
So for example, namespaces can be declared after they are used. They apply to the entire tag they are declared in, so you must buffer the tag. Tags can be any length...
I was momentarily confused because I had commented out an importmap in my HTML with <!-- -->, and yet my Vite build product contained <script type="importmap"></script>, magically uncommented again. I tracked it down to a regex in Vite for extracting importmap tags, oblivious to the comment markers.
It is discomfiting that the JS ecosystem relies heavily on layers of source-to-source transformations, tree shaking, minimization, module format conversion, etc. We assume that these are built on spec-compliant parsers, like one would find with C compilers. Are they? Or are they built with unsound string transformations that work in 99% of cases for expediency?
I ran into many similar problems, sadly I don't think your example is an outlier. I had to write my own simple HTML bundler (https://github.com/jeff-hykin/html-bundle), not cause I want to or because I care about bundling, but just to know that it was done correctly.
This is why I basically never trust npm packages unless I know the authors, like the standard library from the Deno team, or people like Ryan Carniato or Evan Yu.
Fun thing to know - commented out code is still a node in DOM tree (with nodeType: COMMENT_NODE), so there shouldn't be a need for regex (if that's done via regex)
Although a regular expression cannot recognize recursive grammars, regular expressions are involved in parsing algorithms. For instance, in LALR(1), the pattern matching is a combination of a regex and the parsing stack.
If we have a regex matcher for strings, we can use it iteratively to decimate recursive structures. For instance, suppose we have a string consisting of nested parentheses (perhaps with stuff between them). We can match all the inner-most parenthesis pairs like (foo) and () with a regular expression which matches the longest sequence between ( and ) not containing (. Having identified these, we can edit the string by removing them, and then repeat:
Given that we tend to pretend that our computers are Turing machines with infinite memory, while in fact they are finite-state ones, corresponding to regular expressions, and the "proper" parsers are parts of those, I am now curious whether there are projects compiling those parsers to huge regexps, in the format compatible with common regexp engines. Though perhaps there is no reason to limit such compilation to parsers.
You don't need to parse the entire xml to completion if all you are doing is looking for a pattern formed in text. You can absolutely use a regex to get your pattern. I have parsers for amazon product pages and reviews that have been in production since 2017. The html changed a few times (and it cannot be called valid xml at all), but the patterns I capture haven't changed and are still in the same order so the parser still works.
A clickbait, and wrong, title, for an otherwise interesting article. I could do without the cutesy tone and anime, though.
You shouldn't parse HTML with regex. XML and strict XHTML are a different matter, since their structure is more strictly defined. The article even mentions this.
The issue is not that you can't do this. Of course you can. The issue is that any attempt will lead to a false sense of confidence, and an unmaintainable mess. The parsing might work for the specific documents you're testing with, but will inevitably fail when parsing other documents. I.e. a generalized HTML parser with regex alone is a fool's errand. Parsing a subset of HTML from documents you control using regex is certainly possible, and could work in a pinch, as the article proves.
Sidenote: it's a damn shame that XHTML didn't gain traction. Browsers being permissive about parsing broken HTML has caused so much confusion and unexpected behaviour over the years. The web would've been a much better place if it used strict markup. TBL was right, and browser vendors should have listened. It would've made their work much easier anyway, as I can only imagine the ungodly amount of quirks and edge cases a modern HTML parser must support.
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[ 2.2 ms ] story [ 53.4 ms ] threadThe question is not asking about parsing in the sense of matching start tags with end tags, which is indeed not possible with a regex.
The question is about lexing, for which regex is the ideal tool. The solution is somewhat more complex than the question suggest since you have to exclude tags embedded in comments or CDATA sections, but it is definitely doable using a regex.
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That's one way to do it. :-)
> 03. It's human-readable: no specialized tools are required to look at and understand the data contained within an XML document.
And then there's an example document in which the tag names are "a", "b", "c", and "d".
One really nasty thing I've encountered when scraping old webpages:
XHTML really isn't hard (try it: just change your mime type (often, just rename your files), add the xmlns and then doing a scream test - mostly, self-close your tags, make sure your scripts/stylesheets are separate files, but also don't rely on implicit `<tbody>` or anything), people really should use it more. I do admit I like HTML for hand-writing things like tables, but they should be transformed before publishing.Now, if only there were a sane way to do CSS ... currently, it's prone to the old "truncated download is indistinguishable from correct EOF" flaw if you aren't using chunking. You can sort of fix this by having the last rule in the file be `#no-css {display:none;}` but that scales poorly if you have multiple non-alternate stylesheets, unless I'm missing something.
(MJS is not sane in quite a few ways, but at least it doesn't have this degree of problems)
And now that HTML is strictly specified it is complex to get your emitter working correctly (example: you need to know which tags are self closing to properly serialize HTML) but once you do a good job it just works.
So for example, namespaces can be declared after they are used. They apply to the entire tag they are declared in, so you must buffer the tag. Tags can be any length...
It is discomfiting that the JS ecosystem relies heavily on layers of source-to-source transformations, tree shaking, minimization, module format conversion, etc. We assume that these are built on spec-compliant parsers, like one would find with C compilers. Are they? Or are they built with unsound string transformations that work in 99% of cases for expediency?
This is why I basically never trust npm packages unless I know the authors, like the standard library from the Deno team, or people like Ryan Carniato or Evan Yu.
If we have a regex matcher for strings, we can use it iteratively to decimate recursive structures. For instance, suppose we have a string consisting of nested parentheses (perhaps with stuff between them). We can match all the inner-most parenthesis pairs like (foo) and () with a regular expression which matches the longest sequence between ( and ) not containing (. Having identified these, we can edit the string by removing them, and then repeat:
https://www2.cs.sfu.ca/~cameron/REX.html
You shouldn't parse HTML with regex. XML and strict XHTML are a different matter, since their structure is more strictly defined. The article even mentions this.
The issue is not that you can't do this. Of course you can. The issue is that any attempt will lead to a false sense of confidence, and an unmaintainable mess. The parsing might work for the specific documents you're testing with, but will inevitably fail when parsing other documents. I.e. a generalized HTML parser with regex alone is a fool's errand. Parsing a subset of HTML from documents you control using regex is certainly possible, and could work in a pinch, as the article proves.
Sidenote: it's a damn shame that XHTML didn't gain traction. Browsers being permissive about parsing broken HTML has caused so much confusion and unexpected behaviour over the years. The web would've been a much better place if it used strict markup. TBL was right, and browser vendors should have listened. It would've made their work much easier anyway, as I can only imagine the ungodly amount of quirks and edge cases a modern HTML parser must support.
you can define a recursive regex rule
https://docs.raku.org/language/regexes#Tilde_for_nesting_str...or you could go with a Grammar
(or just use a library module like XML::Class or XML::Tiny)