I find it so incredible disappointing that discrimination by citizenship or country of birth is not just alive, but getting worse. I’m afraid if the US is starting with this, it won’t take long for others to catch up.
That's the wrong way of looking at it. We have evidence that national cultures affect prosperity, and that, at scale, immigrants bring their cultures with them: https://www.rorotoko.com/11/20230913-jones-garett-on-book-cu... ("For the last twenty years I’ve been asking the Adam Smith question: Why are some nations so much more productive than others? I’d found some new answers in my own research, summed up in my earlier book Hive Mind. But at the same time, I kept reading findings by a separate group of researchers, especially three excellent professors at Brown University: David Weil, Louis Putterman, and Oded Galor. Their work on the 'Deep Roots' of economic prosperity suggested that many of the important economic differences across countries began centuries, even millennia ago.").
The U.S. takes in millions of immigrants a year. At that scale, it's not a question of the individual merits of a single immigrant from a country. It's about the merits of the community that will be formed when 100,000 immigrants from that country come to the U.S. and settle in the same place and socialize their children into their culture. And the evidence we have is that, when that happens, they'll bring with them a lot of characteristics of their origin countries.
Russia in 2018 just made tickets valid visas, something like that should be done. Also no one is blocking non-immigrant visas, so there is no issue here.
I have worked alongside with Iranian and Russian tech workers. I hope they all have a green card by now. Other countries will now benefit from the brain drain instead.
We have a really talented engineer on our team (in the US), who has a green card and everything. He's taking a job in Brussels, he said very plainly hes not sticking around to find out what happens next. I don't blame him.
>>he said very plainly hes not sticking around to find out what happens next.
Can't blame him, US residency really is a like a game of high attrition. Its your classic up or out scenario.
Some times even a passport doesn't guarantee a stay. Sooner or later, you fall ill, lose a home, have a divorce. Its a unique combination of extreme luck, work, health and many other factors several of which are totally outside of your control.
Well Trump said it: "why it is we only take people from s**hole countries," and "why can't we have some people from Norway, Sweden, just a few? Let's have a few from Denmark."
Does the US currently allow immigrants who are likely to become a "public charge"? The UK has not for a very long time (at least a few decades) and many other countries will not either.
> Does the US currently allow immigrants who are likely to become a "public charge"?
Providing evidence that the applicant is unlikely to become a public charge is an important part of most visa and green card applications. Form I-864 is an Affidavit of Support where a sponsor (usually the family member or employer sponsoring the visa or green card) promises to financially support the applicant.
If the U.S. really does have a problem with lots of visa and green card holders becoming public charges, it's not because their application process doesn't directly address the issue.
tl;dr: The full list of countries comprises of Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Antigua and Barbuda, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belize, Bhutan, Bosnia, Brazil, Burma, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Colombia, Cote d’Ivoire, Cuba, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Dominica, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Fiji, Gambia, Georgia, Ghana, Grenada, Guatemala, Guinea, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Laos, Lebanon, Liberia, Libya, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Nepal, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Pakistan, Republic of the Congo, Russia, Rwanda, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Tanzania, Thailand, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Uruguay, Uzbekistan and Yemen
Musk's astroturf bot army. It's the same with any submission that points out how far into a fascist dictatorship the US has already plunged. It's either concerted botting, or comfortable US tech sector workers putting their fingers in their ears and saying "la la la I can't hear you" because as yet, it's not them getting shot in the street.
I really wish there was more transparency. We can’t see flagged posts without a direct link.
How about a flagged section?
What about a feature to challenge the flag?
What about a justification for the flag? Do flagged posts need to be approved by a mod?
I love HN. Flagged posts are the worst part. I can’t tell if the community is being taken over by a subset of bad actors, or YC is asserting opaque editorial control. Feels bad.
Bootlickers. The tech industry is crawling with them unfortunately - perfectly happy to bury their heads in the sand and pretend that they'll never be out of favor. The Hacker News team doesn't seem to care, this has been happening all year with important information.
Because to a certain group of HN regulars everything that gives them a tingle in the conscience is "offtopic" and "politics". Another quieter group believe themselves to be the rational Übermensch and cannot wait for the vagrants and the spooky pinky haired leftists to be put on camps.
Damn - seeing mathrubhumi.com on HN is quite the surprise, when youre a specific kind of South Indian.
For what it's worth, 15 countries have qualified, 10 countries are still in the running for qualification for the FIFAWC26 on that list of 75 countries.
Can you explain in more detail how suspension of immigrant visas cuts into who can attend WWDC? Do many people immigrate to the US just to attend WWDC? Does anyone at all?
My wife came here on a K1 visa from one of the countries on that list. We have an appointment for interview next month (which determines whether or not she can remain in the country).
This is basically Trump's 'shithole' list. If you even look like you are from one of these places (basically anything other than white) you are probably a potential ICE target.
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[ 2.8 ms ] story [ 70.9 ms ] threadThe U.S. takes in millions of immigrants a year. At that scale, it's not a question of the individual merits of a single immigrant from a country. It's about the merits of the community that will be formed when 100,000 immigrants from that country come to the U.S. and settle in the same place and socialize their children into their culture. And the evidence we have is that, when that happens, they'll bring with them a lot of characteristics of their origin countries.
Good question. Which is likely another reason for more ticket cancellations[0].
[0] https://www.financialexpress.com/sports/fifa-calls-for-emerg...
The list includes Russia, Iran, lots of RU-aligned nations, and a bunch that probably have security issues.
The only one that stood out as odd was Thailand.
Most likely will be unfrozen in couple of weeks. The real question is about new rules and how much harder it will be to get in.
Can't blame him, US residency really is a like a game of high attrition. Its your classic up or out scenario.
Some times even a passport doesn't guarantee a stay. Sooner or later, you fall ill, lose a home, have a divorce. Its a unique combination of extreme luck, work, health and many other factors several of which are totally outside of your control.
You either win spectacularly or exit trying.
Does the US currently allow immigrants who are likely to become a "public charge"? The UK has not for a very long time (at least a few decades) and many other countries will not either.
Providing evidence that the applicant is unlikely to become a public charge is an important part of most visa and green card applications. Form I-864 is an Affidavit of Support where a sponsor (usually the family member or employer sponsoring the visa or green card) promises to financially support the applicant.
If the U.S. really does have a problem with lots of visa and green card holders becoming public charges, it's not because their application process doesn't directly address the issue.
Canada has a similar system, that discriminates disabled people for instance and most people are fine with it.[1]
Yes, the inflammatory wording is bad, but a points-based system would be a good improvement over the current situation.
[0] https://www.visaverge.com/news/us-suspends-visa-processing-f...
[1] https://immiquest.ca/how-the-canada-immigration-points-syste...
I also uploaded this news to hackernews (before discovering that this also existed) and the post I did wasn't flagged (atleast not right now)
I sincerely hope that healthy disucssions can take place in Hackernews and such articles shouldn't be flagged as they are important.
Edit: my post got flagged as well WHILE I WAS WRITING THIS COMMENT THIS IS CRAZY
How about a flagged section?
What about a feature to challenge the flag?
What about a justification for the flag? Do flagged posts need to be approved by a mod?
I love HN. Flagged posts are the worst part. I can’t tell if the community is being taken over by a subset of bad actors, or YC is asserting opaque editorial control. Feels bad.
Try posting a negative story on anything related to Musk
For what it's worth, 15 countries have qualified, 10 countries are still in the running for qualification for the FIFAWC26 on that list of 75 countries.
This is genuinely bugging me right now as to how or even why Hackernews would try to curb this information.
This really cuts into who can attend it.
Though since they no longer do the 5 days thing and just invite people at the office for a couple of days- might not even make sense.
This could just be an attempt to frame (what is in effect) a serious customer support failure as a deliberate policy decision.
https://web.archive.org/web/20260114174658if_/https://englis...
It's always worrying seeing news like this.