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There is also a baby products online store in the Netherlands that for religious reasons is closed on Sunday. You can browse the site but you can't buy anything.

The page is in Dutch, it explains that they're closed because get believe Sunday is a day for rest: https://www.babypark.nl/zondag/info-bp.html

Same for the SGP, the Dutch fundamentalist Christian party: https://sgp.nl/

I share few of their values but I quite appreciate this one.

That was the reason I bought a lot of stuff at their competitor baby-dump.nl. Until BP bought BD, and instituted the same policy there...

It's their site, they can do what they want. And as long as there's competition I can even admire them for making a sacrifice for something they believe in.

This kind of stuff becomes a problem when it starts arguing that others must do this too. If someone argues that all shops must be closed because their religion forbids working on that day, then that's an issue. But as far as I know, the Baby Park people haven't done that. They made a personal moral choice and sacrifice. Good for them.

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I happened to want to order something there last Sunday. While digging into it, I notice that their closure seemed to be implemented only on the frontend using JS. By disabling some scripts, I was able to add products to my cart, which normally isn't possible on Sundays.

In the end, I didn't proceed to place my order on Sunday. It felt a bit disrespectful, and it was already late. (So I ordered half an hour later, which was technically Monday.)

We have similar e-commerce sites in Israel that close on Saturdays for religious reasons.

As someone living in a relegious country with religious parties in parliament, I see this as a slippery slope.

It's a way for religious groups to normalize forcing their lifestyle on the rest of society.

Religious mandates always tend to expand: what starts as "I don't care if you close your site on Sunday" can quickly escalate to "Why are you telling my wife and daughter how they should dress in public?"

Beware

I find the idea of cleverly outsmarting God with Shabbat elevators and ovens difficult to reconcile with taking one's religion seriously, respecting God, and following the spirit rather than merely the letter of its laws. But what believers arrange for themselves is their own business. The danger begins when they arrange everyone else's lives too.
The biggest camera store in NYC, B&H Photo, similarly closes their website checkout on Saturdays and on all the major Jewish holidays. It's mildly inconvenient, but it has never really stopped me from ordering from them. I think maybe one time it made me order from a competitor.
There are websites in Japan that are only "open" during Japanese business hours.
The shop link is still “open”.
In India, I remember many government websites that allowed form submission only during office hours.
We would warmly welcome him in Germany
Window shopping is still allowed on Sunday in Germany.
I told a friend one time, what if there was a web site that had opening hours.

He said, you can already see the opening hours of all the stores and stuff on Google Maps.

I said, no, not a website like that. I mean, the website itself is open 9 to 5 Monday through Friday, and outside of that it’s closed.

My friend looked at me and just said, why?

Idk, I think it would be neat, I said.

My friend didn’t get it. This guy gets it.

> website itself is open 9 to 5 Monday through Friday, and outside of that it’s closed.

So you want people to read your blog at work because when they are off it's closed?

No, I want them to take time off from work to read the blog. Just as they do when going to the DMV, bank, doctor consultation,etc.
> My friend didn’t get it. This guy gets it.

They laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.

I don't need to imagine. This is how government and bank websites work in Japan. It's maddening how frequently online services are closed in the evening and weekends.

Example: the government e-tax service's operating hours schedule

https://www.e-tax.nta.go.jp/info_center/index.htm

There is a full week of maintenance this month, and it's unavailable after midnight on Mondays and Sundays until 8:30am.

The server sits underneath Shintaro's desk, the guy needs a break once in a while.
In Israel, many sites are "closed" on Sabbath, unfortunately. This was a recent controversy about this: https://www.ynet.co.il/economy/article/rymwhdedmg (Hebrew)
B&H Photo's website can be browsed on the Sabbath but you can't order anything. The company is owned and operated by observant Orthodox Jewish members of the Satmar Hasidic community.
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It's their site and they can do whatever they like, but it's pretty silly. If you want to avoid screens, avoid screens. Don't make your addiction my problem
I'm reminded of the type of recovering alcoholic who impetuously accuses anybody who they know has consumed alcohol of being slaves to the sauce themselves.
"Trump is your president, don't make his problems to mine. If you vote for a shit president then keep him for yourselves and don't let him escape his sandbox."

Spot the five differences.

I can't really spot the similarities.
> Don't make your addiction my problem

Don't make your complaint to my reading.

If your annoyed about someone complaining about their addiction, don't read it and certainly don't tell me about your problems when you complain about others voicing their complaints.

Get it? Your comment is just telling me what your complaint is: that you didn't want to read the article. Well then don't read it. But I don't care what you read or not read. As you don't care about others addictions.

That's not it. I dont mind the article. I judge the person writing it because they are being silly.

"I think I use screens too much so everyone should use screens less" is silly.

> Don't make your addiction my problem

> "I think I use screens too much so everyone should use screens less" is silly.

From my perspective, I see both statements fulfilling what you're saying with:

> I judge the person writing it because they are being silly.

You are right, telling me not to use a screen because someone else is OD'ing on screens is silly but so is judging them for it - because it still doesn't affect me. But that's only from my, a third, perspective.

I might be being pedantic but saying someone is silly because I think they are silly is silly for a third person to read because it's only my opinion without any references or background as to why this might be the case. But that might well be silly to read for a fourth perspective.

So basically you think any opinion about someone else's opinion creates a paradox?

And that's your opinion about an opinion?

With Internet, we live in an always-on culture.

It contrasts with times before, when we actually had to wait for a monthly magazine, and even if we wanted to watch a movie, it was aired (say) the next Tue 7PM.

While now we have all convenience, there is no anticipation - or rest.

Hey. We still have TV shows that air once a week (and people loudly complain that it takes too long)
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Love it. I started a fun side project this weekend to also reduce my screen time: turning articles I bookmark online into a personal printed magazine that I can then read offline [0]. I just printed the first personal edition that I will read on my flight next week, including a few articles I found on HN :)

[0] https://www.unscroll.ch

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In the US state of New Jersey some counties restrict the sales of tools and hardware (like something you might need to urgently buy for a home repair from Home Depot) on Sundays:

https://www.google.com/search?&q=new+jersey+blue+laws+tools+...

As a person from the west coast it is always funny to me to encounter places with "blue laws" for no product sales on Sundays, or "dry counties", primarily in the US south/southeast.

The first time I was in Silicon Valley, the most surprising thing was that equivalent of blue laws was every day with how early everything closed.

Still makes me wonder how anyone gets anything done, OTOH it explains how door dash, uber, etc could happen there - other places had less demand...

I find all this anti-screen stuff kinda weird. Why avoid screens one day week? Do you also avoid electricity? Running water and sanitation? Refuse to use a wheel or mechanical advantage? It's almost Amish to me. Where do you draw the line, and why?

I have young kids. There is A LOT of this sort of pressure and sentiment - that using a computer/tablet/phone is somehow inherently bad and harmful. My kids love watching TV but I am fortunate that they also love imaginative play with traditional toys (teddy bears, Lego, cardboard boxes etc) more and they only watch shows maybe 1 or 2 hours a month. I think it is because we don't have a physical TV in the house - there is no looming huge black rectangle in the corner reminding them all their waking time (we adults just watch netflix/whatever on a laptop after bedtime for the kids).

I think this is part of the problem. It's not screens that are bad, it's what you do with them and how you use them.

Just turn notifications off. Just don't look at twitter/Facebook/tiktok. It's not hard to just not use the brain rot stuff. I get it you are addicted - I guess just be thankful it's not alcohol or cigarettes. Get help for your addiction.

But I do not understand why on earth you would not use these amazing, life-improving, wondrous tools? Like if you needed to hammer in a nail you refuse to use a metal hammer "because technology" and what? you just bludgeon it in with your fists instead? I do not understand this rejection of hugely beneficial tools and technology that has made our lives so much easier.

>Just turn notifications off. Just don't look at twitter/Facebook/tiktok. It's not hard to just not use the brain rot stuff. I get it you are addicted - I guess just be thankful it's not alcohol or cigarettes. Get help for your addiction.

That part is precisely the problem. "Just get help for your addiction" is not how anything works.

It's incredibly hard for an addict to stop using the brain rot stuff. A lot of very smart people make a lot of money making it as hard as possible.

Yep no one said it would be easy. It's hard for a smoker or drinker to get over their addiction too.

That's why you need help.

But you don't need to eliminate all forms of fermentation or combustion from your life to get over an alcohol or cigarette addiction. You don't need to eliminate all screens from your life to get over your tiktok addiction.

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If you are a recovering alcoholic, not going into or near a liquor store sounds like a solid strategy…
> no one said it would be easy

You literally said “It's not hard”

1. Maybe because making life easier isn't always a good thing? That there are certain things which benefit from being difficult, or at least not as easy as possible. Especially for children.

2. There aren't billion-dollar corporations, staffed with teams of PhDs in psychology, whose sole purpose 24/7 is to get me to use a hammer more. That's a false analogy.

On one hand, I agree; on the other hand, that was the most succinct formulation of European culture that I've ever read.
Essentially what you’re saying is “if you’re addicted, why not choose to not be addicted?” and… yeah…

Personally my biggest complaint is not necessarily screen time in itself, it’s that the tech giants are dedicated to maximising your (and your children’s) watch time by showing a stream of addictive slop.

It’s a shame, there’s good content for kids on YouTube but the algorithm always biased towards addictive crap. And they’re cornering the market to the extent that other operators producing good kid-friendly content (like the BBC in the UK) get sidelined.

This was my entire point.

It's not the screens, it what you do with the screens.

We do not need to reduce our lives to that of Luddites - we do not need to throw the baby out with the bathwater and avoid all screen use - just because people are addicted to social media or short-form video content.

They're not addicted to the screens, they're addicted to YouTube/tiktok/twitter/whatever.

Why do you need to hammer that nail in every moment of downtime? If someone close to me pulled out a hammer to hammer in nails 5 hours a day with no visible beneficial result I would be worried that this person is pretending not to have an addiction
Why don’t you buy a TV and put it in your kids’ bedroom then? It might alert them before a natural disaster happens or something — it’s useful technology, after all.
You missed the entire point.

My point was it's how you decide to use them. Do you have a TV/screen as a constant visible physical presence in your life spewing content design to attract and hold attention, or do you have a screen as a damn-useful tool that you choose and decide to use to your own benefit?

I get what you’re saying, but my satirical comment was the clearest thing I could come up with to illustrate that your argument is all over the place and basically incoherent. You answer a lot of your own rhetorical questions in your own comment.

People who choose not to use screens one day a week are “deciding” not to use them for one day a week, for many reasons including some you mentioned yourself. But then you say “do you avoid electricity?”

You avoid putting a tv in your kids’ room tuned permanently to the news. Why? It would be damn-useful for them to learn what’s going on in the world. You literally let your kids use the screen way less than this guy allows himself to. You’re in agreement with him…

It's much worse than what you've correctly described. They said "I think it is because we don't have a physical TV in the house"!!!

They don't even "let" their kids or themselves use a TV at all!

As you said, the whole thing is completely incoherent. They seem to have zero self-awareness.

No, you're missing the point.

You are bewildered that someone wants to try to limit technology in some way, while literally not having a television - which you call "a damn-useful tool".

Can you not see how utterly un self aware you are here?

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I think it's more the technology, not the substance.

Alcohol addiction is bad. But no one is saying we should have "bottle free days" or "try not to use a glass until you've been outside" or whatever - no one is saying "bottles and cups cause addiction! We should not allow children to use liquid containers until they are 16!" just because they could conceivably contain alcohol. That is obviously absurd. You are not addicted to the glass or bottle, you are addicted to the alcohol.

Yet we as a society are basically doing that for screens. Screens/bottles are not in themselves bad, but it's what you as an individual actively chose to put in it that leads to the problem. Don't use tiktok or whatever, but do use the screen.

> Alcohol addiction is bad. But no one is saying we should have "bottle free days" or "try not to use a glass until you've been outside"

The original author isn't trying to ban all screens from public life (e.g. screens that show bus information) or religiously avoiding them, it is obvious that by "screens" they specifically mean the "addictive entertainment that is usually delivered via screens". This does not mean they will run screaming from a screen at the doctor's that's displaying their vitals.

Actually, there's an analogy right there in your argument! We often say "he's been hitting the bottle" as a metaphor, that doesn't literally mean someone is hitting a bottle, it means that they are addicted to the alcohol in it.

I like your analogy between glass screens containing slime and glass bottles containing alcohol.

It's the slime, not the glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPFIkty4Zvk

  I am gross and perverted, I'm obsessed and deranged
  I have existed for years but very little has changed
  I'm the tool of the government and industry too
  For I am destined to rule and regulate you

  I may be vile and pernicious but you can't look away
  I make you think I'm delicious with the stuff that I say
  I'm the best you can get, have you guessed me, yet?
  I'm the slime oozin' out from your TV set
> It's not screens that are bad, it's what you do with them and how you use them.

Congrats on being a good parent, but there's a lot of people out there who put much less conscious effort into it than you apparently do.

Read some of the news URLs about "AI slop children's videos" for example, and try to imagine what happens when people give a 3 to 6 year old a tablet and unrestricted use of youtube to keep clicking on recommendations.

https://www.google.com/search?&q=ai+slop+children%27s+videos...

I'm not saying that having a day without screens or going completely no-screen is the best and absolute solution, but that it's a very real category of problem to grapple with and decide for yourself what's most appropriate.

I have never understood addiction either. My whole life I’ve been told that I am addicted to “computers” or video games, because I spent so much time on it. But frankly there wasn’t much better to do and it’s just a hobby, passion that now pays my bills…

Only until I started smoking cigarettes and later stopped I realised what addiction really means, and how hard it is to kick it.

My kid is in primary school, and there is one parent who did not give their child a mobile phone. In the WhatsApp group, they also keep promoting books and videos about how others also should do the same. The thing is, my kid doesn't seem to have the propensity to abuse their mobile phone and I bet most don't.
Why does a kid in primary school need a phone in the first place?
Ever drive by a school bus stop in the mornings? Groups of kids just standing around each other, not interacting, heads bent down towards their phones. It’s actually really strange, but we adults do it, too.
This is an incoherent mess of statements. I don't understand the point you are trying trying to make.

> My kids love watching TV...we don't have a physical TV in the house

What do they watch "TV" on? Or do you mean they watch their shows on your laptop? Their tablets? What are the black rectangles that show them the shows? Without this it's hard to understand why you are patting yourself on the back so much about the lack of a TV. If the solution is to give the kids tablets 24/7, then the looming black rectangle with parental control might be preferable. If you're showing them the shows on your laptop and taking it away later; congratulations, you are just "taking technology away".

> there is no looming huge black rectangle in the corner reminding them all their waking time (we adults just watch netflix/whatever on a laptop after bedtime for the kids)...I think this is part of the problem.

What is part of the problem? That there is no looming black rectangle? There is no obvious phrase that corresponds to "part of the problem".

> Get help for your addiction...I do not understand this rejection of hugely beneficial tools and technology that has made our lives so much easier.

You are acknowledging that there is addiction, but then saying you don't understand why people would choose to "get help" for it by avoiding said technology 1/7th of their week (incidentally on a rest day when they get to decide what they do)?

Friend, it is bewildering to me that you've been downvoted. This is one of the few sane comments here that actually sees what is going on. I'll happily join you in getting downvoted for saying so.
People have different ways of dealing with overuse of technology. For some, one day a week off works for some notification off, for some using dumb phones. It is perfectly normal for people to tryout and share anything that works. And it is also perfectly normal to ignore it.

> There is A LOT of this sort of pressure and sentiment.

There’s absolutely no pressure that can’t be ignored. Just because you feel the pressure there’s no need to call everyone else’s way of dealing with overuse nonsensical.

> It's not screens that are bad, it's what you do with them and how you use them.

“Medium is the message” is a highly recommended reading.

You just pick a place and draw it. Being anti-screen and taking a recurring break are not the same thing. You don't have to go full Amish. It's like the weekend. It gives you time and space to do other things, and encourages variation in how you interact with other humans and yourself. We picked Friday evenings to Saturday afternoons, not even a full day, and have been doing it for about 10 years. Easily one of the best quality of life choices we made as a family.
Because what works for you does not work for everybody, and different people may have different propensities, impulses etc.

You put some spatial restrictions (no tv screen visibly standing permanently in the house). Some people put time restrictions because that works for their case. It does not mean that they do not want to use these "wondrous technologies", they just want to spend some amount of their time doing something else. Saying "this works for me, everybody should do that" is absurd, something that works for you could work for some, but there is no reason to think it may work for everybody. And you just overlook how certain stuff are built to be addictive/attention grabbing, through A/B testing and research and tons of high-end specialised human capital in order to increase profit from advertising.

I think your comment says what I want to say much more elegantly. "No screens on Sundays" is just another dimension of "No Netflix after 8pm" or "No TV in the bedroom".

It's weird to rail against one but implement the other.

His house (website), his rules. They can be weird but as he doesn’t hurt anyone, it is his choice.

Well, I don’t get why I can’t discover his writings if I have still Saturday :) but it is his website not mine… so if he wants me to visit it on Monday to Saturday his time, I will. Or will not…

This is a form of unchecked privilege. He's saying he can spend time during the week reading a blog, and because of that he advocates taking a day a week away from screens. That's fine for him but someone working a manual job all week doesn't that luxury if they want to do interesting tech things on a weekend.
What doesn't work for you may work very well for others.

Have a more open mind.

I’m happy for you and your family so far. What I saw with my kids (now in their 20’s) is they changed from what you are describing with your kids when peer pressure entered their lives, and always-on entertainment of every sort was in their pockets. Many/most of their earlier interests sadly could not compete in the dopamine arena of life. I hope you’ll find a way to parent better than I did, but keep this “tech fast” idea in your back pocket - you might be surprised to need it some day.
I remember back in the days a Car Insurance website which only allowed you to use it during working hours. Never understood the mechanism, surely they weren't getting quotes live from actuaries or anything.
It's not been the case for probably more than 20 years, but I remember that in the past the official website of the Italian Postal Service [1] used to be closed out of office hours.

https://poste.it

Japanese websites still do this. If you buy shinkansen tickets between 23:00-05:00 you get:

* JR central - you can buy, but not reserve seats, as the system actually registers your ticket at 5am

* Jr east - you cannot buy.

Some banks/government sites also simply don't want to work at night.

Very frustrating. To me it spells incompetence, but maybe there's some non-technical stakeholder who made a stupid rule once. For JR its probably some nightly accounting system - not 100% sure but I assume all the modern systems are just plugged on top of the ancient ones just like the airline industry does it.

Turning a static site off is excellent ragebait