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still have the ability to disable the crawler via robots.txt flags

Never rely on robots.txt. Configure it, but do not rely on it. A bot will do what a bot can do. Their bots are trivial to spot so close the connection, bonus if done silently closing the socket and inhibiting RST.

Wouldn't feeding them false data be even better?
We've already been using AI to target military strikes without human intervention.

Make of that what you will.

That could consume as much, if not more, resources as returning real data
Returning some text files from the server fs is _wayyy_ lighter than letting the bot go through the search, middleware, and db while crawling your stuff.
Or just sending it a tiny zip bomb, or even just some sh*t right out of /dev/random
Bots are pretty good at detecting and preventing this kind of issue. Dumb clients would still be affected.
/dev/random is much too expensive for this.

flat files, a tarpit, maybe zip bombs as the sibling suggested. Nothing calculated. I'd go with zipped Brothers Grimm

Angel banning is better, 100% agreed on giving it false data that the scraper builders can't easily detect. Give it seemingly correct and useful but totally wrong answers
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I would assume it's exactly what they described, banning something by pretending to still helpfully assist them while silently undermining them instead.
The accepted term is actually heaven banning.
I'm not convinced that it's possible to poison AI. Real data all correlates, fake data is all unique in its own way. I suspect feeding AI fake data is a waste of time.
I'd say it depends what exactly. If it's a rare topic then you'll have more luck.
Yeah, calling this "disabling" it is inaccurate, it's just "asking nicely".
I have been writing bots and scrapers for almost 20 years.

Not once have I had someone I work for in this capacity even ask about robots.txt

You are part of the problem, sounds like.
This implies the solution is every actor in the world willfully complying which doesn’t sound very realistic if you ask me.

Similar to saying world hunger would be solved in everyone who could donated $100 to those in need. Sure it may be true but foot stomping about why isn’t it organically happening is missing the point.

There is a clear difference between the global issue of famine and actively choosing to work for an arsehole corp.
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I would actually love to change sides and work on bot defense, it’s more difficult than you’d think.
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I certainly try to be as low friction and as ethical as I can be.

The internet is built on scrapers though - Google is a scraper, and an opt-out one at that.

How much would I have to pay you for you to change careers permanently?
It wouldn't make much difference. Me, I just do it for fun.
I have been writing bots and scrapers for almost 20 years.

I've enjoyed the arms race with scrapers as they have taught me a lot over the years. Some of them leave me funny messages in my logs and seem to enjoy working around my crude mitigations almost as if it were a puzzle. Which of your scrapers can parse this post without the help of a real browser or headless chrome? [1] I am curious how far the tools have evolved and how someone with your experience instruments them if you are willing to share.

[1] - https://altchan.org/ot/20

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Humanity experts warn oligarchs, "not good"

News at never.

just rename the company to Meta Law or Zuckerberg & Associates already
The name Suckerberg I mean Zuckerberg is so strange. That's just raw german:

Zucker = Sugar Berg = Mountain (or a big hill, but typically it refers to a mountain)

So, a "mountain of sugar" (lots of sugar).

Suckerberg kind of fits better, since "sucker" is not german (berg still is of course; I think scandinavian countries also have berg, though that could be burg, aka castle). Plus, Suckerberg describes the evil behaviour of Facebook better. The USA really has a problem with its billionaires.

What about Altman?
I read somewhere once that Sam Altman sounds like a name for a fictional villain made up by Hideo Kojima for Metal Gear Solid, and it will never not make sense.
Not strange. It's a Jewish name.
[resource]+[mountain/stone/field/valley/tree] in German is a very common pattern for Jewish surnames. A quirk of how surnames were adopted in German-speaking regions in the 18th century

Sugar mountain at least makes sense, unlike e.g. wine stone

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Meta law actually sounds pretty good to me.
Blocking by UA is pointless now, meta-externalagent rotates and a chunk comes off non-Meta ASNs. We matched on ASN plus TLS JA4 and that actually stuck.
DON'T TOUCH META's apps. Zuck is PUBLIC ENEMY #1
I for sure don't love any of the oligarchs, but how is Zuck worse than e.g. Musk?
Similar resources and anti-social intent, but better organized and disciplined.
Why not both? True though, after Musk's Doge stunt he has caused a lot of real harm rivalling that of Zuck.
Musk may be worse, but at least he makes cars and sells Ubereats for space. Zuck produces nothing of value.
If that were true, you wouldn’t have people shouting into the wind demanding that billions of people stop using Instagram, WhatsApp, Muse, Facebook, Quest, etc.

Other people don’t share your values. You’ll have to live with it.

And they spend huge resource so that we can't scrap Facebook - our own feed.
You can but you'll probably want to do it with a browser extension or an undetectable webdriver.

I suggest doing it, actually. Could be a fun project. I suggest not making the script make any extra requests on your main account just in case - anything already on the page is free for scraping.

> so that we can't scrap Facebook

Whilst I assume you meant to say “scrape”, I can’t help but appreciate the poetry of that typo.

Does it really matter what they have "permission" for when they'll do it anyway?
I'm a bit confused why people are freaking out about these term changes - Meta scrapes my website already on a fairly regular basis (even with robots.txt). Is the point of this change to justify more intense scraping?
I'm with you. I don't quite grasp the magnitude of response.
Color me shocked... one of the most profitable companies in the world, that doesn't contribute anything positive to society, is unethical. Just another day in America that ends in Y.
The valuable data to scrape is in the IDE of the expert and that expert getting challenges.
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Zuckerberg is an absolute sociopath, a cancer on the internet, he should've been shut down years ago
Can't you place your meta accounts under a separate legal entity?
My suggestion is get your business the f*ck off Facebook.

I would never in a thousand years accept such a one-sided, despicable business relationship as their proposed terms seek to establish.

It's already bad enough they hoover up your customer lists and cross-link to their own - for purposes of gaining insight on individuals who never consented to it.

Now they're trying to use their monopoly over a form of social networking to bully you into arbitrary contract terms for a largely unrelated product.

You don't need Meta as much as you think. And in aggregate, they need their customers far more than those customers need them.

There are much friendlier ecosystems in which to engage with your users.

Regarding the customer lists, I have personal experience.

My bank advertises with Meta and included my account in some kind of upload list (probably Meta Ads Manager). I noticed their logo while poking around in Facebook's settings, under Audience-based Advertising. I was livid.

As far as I'm concerned they had no business telling a creepy company like Meta who I bank with. I certainly never consented to that.

I dug up my original banking agreement - a 5-page document on aging, yellowed parchment that I signed over a decade ago. Nothing in there about them being able to unilaterally change terms without notice. I also printed out their latest, 30+ page standard banking agreement which (after making inquiries) they seemed to think applied to my account.

I brought both in to my bank manager and put them on the table. At a high level, I pointed how ridiculous the size had grown to, and he was sympathetic.

In terms of details, I'd highlighted several portions that pertain to privacy, and we walked through the differences together. I underscored how none of them were needed to provide me banking services, how the benefits they conveyed were solely to TD, and how they were harmful to me as a customer.

In the end, he agreed to formally acknowledge on file that I did not agree to the new terms.

You may disagree over how much effect that will have in practice, but the acknowledgment was not just a bureaucratic exercise. It established very firm evidence that I never agreed to the new contract, or any terms the bank might rely on as a basis for the objectionable practices. It would become material if those practices cause me damage in the future, significant enough to litigate. i.e. They knew they lacked agreement, and continued to provide me banking services.

He also worked with internal departments to toggle all available opt-out flags.

I was fortunate in this case the manager comprehended my concerns and seemed to want to keep me as a customer. I recognize not everyone would necessarily get as far.

It really disgusts me that some of the most degenerate practices of silicon valley are spreading to other industries. With lawyers more broadly adopting some of the most viciously one-sided legal language big tech pioneered.

I for one am not on board, and refuse to be bullied into providing some kind of imaginary consent. I say 'imaginary', because I don't think anyone in their right mind who reads and understands such terms would ever agree to them willingly.

Glad I never signed up on any of their "services", and never accepted any of their terms.
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