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Kindles have long had a history of gaolbreaks. I've scarcely seen a scene as dedicated as the folks over on the MobileRead Forums (https://www.mobileread.com/forums). I notice many of the names associated with this new break as people who were associated with hacking early Kindles back in the early 2010s.

For context, it's been a little while since we've had a fresh gaolbreak for new Kindles. Last one was LanguageBreak, which came out back in 2023 and required firmware 5.16.2.1.1 or lower.

Mate, I’m Australian and even I think a gaol is just a dyslexic watching soccer.
Only Americans (to the extent I know) differentiate jail and gaol. Jail and prison.

I first read gaol in a 1960s kids book by Randolph Snow. An Australian as it happens.

https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/catalog/1496448

> Only Americans (to the extent I know) differentiate jail and gaol. Jail and prison.

You inhabit a very different reality than everybody else. Americans do not differentiate jail and gaol; Americans don't use the word "gaol" under any circumstances, ever. It is not a part of American English.

I apologise for mixing terms. Jail and Prison? Do you disagree this is a point of difference? Americans also don't seem to talk about being on remand. In police custody is unwieldy, I agree.
"jail" and "prison" are the American English words in question.

Although that distinction is rarely relevant in casual conversation in practice. People say "jail" and mean "prison" all the time.

As int_19h notes, there are people (in the US) who believe that there is a difference between the meaning of the word "jail" and the meaning of the word "prison". And as int_19h also notes, those people are wrong; Americans will just be confused if you try to use the words differently. It's similar to the insistence of a group with near-perfect overlap that crimes for which jail time isn't a possible punishment can't be correctly referred to as "crimes".
While they are often used interchangeably, it is not uncommon for people to make the distinction between jail and prison in the US.

It can definitely come across as a “Frankenstein’s monster” type of pedantic correction, but they truly do mean two different ideas in the US

American here. Never seen the word written before.
Same had to actually look it up and at least Merriam-Webster lists the word as “chiefly British spellings of JAIL, JAILER”. Which at least hints that the dictionary writers thought it is less common out side of Britain.
Obviously, you haven't visited any colonial American sites. It used to be the normal spelling.
I've also seen the spelling used in old westerns, which I just so happened to be reading in jail.
Non-native speaker here and I learned the word gaol from some fantasy literature only a couple years back.
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It's a common spelling in fantasy video games and books, but it feels kind of performative.

These same games will have voice actors pronounce "ye" as it's written, unaware that the y is a typographic substitute for Þ. "ye olde" is pronounced "the old". But likewise, there's some VAs that clearly only ever read a word, like in the newer God of War games where a character mangles "prescient".

It's the traditional spelling. You'll see it in the British Isles, and on some old buildings here in Canada.
Though it does exist, 'gaol' very infrequently used in the UK too.
I dropped out in the first semester of 9th grade and even I know the word gaol, because I read books written before last year.
Yes, but how often do you use it in your vernacular?

Since that's the topic being discussed, then first portion of your statement wasn't necessary.

It's the same word, just an alternate spelling which is now defunct.
I graduated from high school and even got a bachelor's degree. I've read several books written before last year, and have talked to dozens of people. I've never heard or seen the word gaol. And if I had, I'd probably assume it was "goal" misspelled. I make no assertions of being particularly smart or literate, but only typical.
Knowing the word exists is a different thing than using it in daily speech. I, and I'm sure most people, would be very surprised to hear there are populations of the USA where "gaol" is used regularly.
American here (another) but also Irish (moved here in my 20s)…

Americans never use ‘gaol’. It’s rarely used in Ireland but definitely a term there.

I'm an American and I don't differentiate between jail and gaol; I just assumed the latter to just be a funny European spelling of the former.

But yes, we do differentiate between jail and prison - the former usually being for those with short sentences or for those awaiting trial, and the latter being for those with long sentences. Interesting that other countries don't maintain that distinction - but I guess most countries don't have such a sprawling prison-industrial complex to warrant separate short-term v. long-term detention classifications.

The American distinction is jail v prison.

In practice, the distinction is overblown.

Jails do hold long term prisoners, and prisons get pre-trial prisoners too.

There’s literally a market for jail beds. So prisoners are often sent where there’s an open spot, with little distinction between “short term” and “long term”.

A better distinction is that jails are run by a law enforcement agency, while prisons are not.

Your distinction is probably a better one, but the one I've heard is lockups hold temporarily from hours-days, jails hold prisoners for sentences up to a year, prisons for over a year. People might end up in a jail for much longer, but normally they don't.
France also has the same distinction. "maison d'arret" = jail, "centre de detention" = prison.

the word "prison" however (that also exist in French) is a generic term for both.

It also has "geôle", which is also old fashioned.
I did say "usually" :)

> A better distinction is that jails are run by a law enforcement agency, while prisons are not.

Depends on whether you count corrections agencies as law enforcement agencies. On the one hand, I'm pretty sure all states have distinct agencies for police v. prisons, but on the other hand, corrections officers are usually sworn peace officers and therefore would count as "law enforcement".

Another distinction, come to think of it, is that prisons are usually under federal or state agencies¹, while jails are usually under county or municipal agencies.

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¹ The only exception I've found is Chester County Prison in Pennsylvania, which is under the Chester County Dept. of Corrections. Wikipedia also has an article on a "Northampton County Prison" (also in PA), but that county's website calls it the "Northampton County Jail"; on a tangential note, if corrections agencies don't count as law enforcement agencies, then the Northampton County Jail would be an exception to the "jails are run by a law enforcement agency" rule.

A county jail is commonly used for defendants accused of state crimes until their sentencing, after their convictions.

Post conviction, the prisoner will be moved to a state penitentiary to serve out their sentence.

I don't know how these distinctions work at the federal level.

Depends on the state. Some states “allow” prisoners to serve short sentences in jail. Including short consecutive sentences, so, long sentences.
It's true that prison is an industry in America, but it's also true that only a small minority of prisoners are held in private prisons; about 8% of federal and state prisoners are in private prisons.
The prison industry isn't limited to private prisons; there is substantial private industry financial interest in the operation of the public prisons, as well, whether its providing services to a literally captive market, benefiting from prison labor, etc.
Sorry to parse words, but I said prison “market.”

Most of the customers are states that need to put a prisoner somewhere, and most of the sellers are states that have a spare cell somewhere.

It’s mostly government to government sales.

I agree concern over private prisons is overblown. The very idea conjures up Dickensonian workhouses. Not quite the reality.

Seeing your comment, and all the comments that follow, is reminding me of the "Misconceptions developers believe about X" posts that circulate on here occasionally.

It seems like there's a lot of beliefs that don't universally apply.

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There's a confusion here. Gaol is simply a rarely used (I would say archaic) spelling of jail. It does not mean prison.

British English also differentiates jail and prison, by extension I assume that's universal.

British English as a language might, British people do not, and the physical facilities are the same. We say someone is “held on remand” if they are incarcerated pre-trial, and the part of the prison which holds prisoners pretrial is often referred to as the “remand wing”.
I feel like I've read, well not a lot, but a pretty decent amount. More than my average peer, probably.

I don't think I've ever once encountered "gaol" before today. Reading the parent comment, I believed it was a non-English language loanword, and probably a recent one at that, until I read the comments.

It's not like I avoid archaic works, either. It's possible I did come across the word at some point, but it was a one-off and without any repetition it faded quickly from my memory.

Am I a one-off?

I got like 740 on the verbal SAT and I’ve never seen it
I'm new to kindle, I've been into this since 2021 so im not so aware of kindle's jailbreaking history. Can you tell me what gaolbreak is?
Gaol is an archaic spelling of jail, that retains the same pronunciation and meaning as jail :)
So “gaol” is supposedly an alternative way to spell “jail” that I first encountered in a video game.

I keep seeing “tyre” on here too. I guess hn is hipster for alternative spellings.

"tyre" is just UK English
As is gaol
Which dictionary are you using that doesn’t mark it as an archaic form in British English?
Merriam-Webster has it as "chiefly British spelling" of jail, and Oxford English Dictionary has it as a "variant".

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gaol

https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?q=gaol

More significantly, Collins just says "British a variant spelling of jail".

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/gaol

I believe Collins is the standard dictionary that British people use, much like Merriam-Webster for Americans.

> I believe Collins is the standard dictionary that British people use

And you would be wrong. They've only been putting out a dictionary since 1979. OED[0] is The Dictionary in the UK, and I've quoted its take on it in an adjacent comment.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_English_Dictionary

Well, come on, that's obviously false. Zero percent of British people own an OED or even have the resources necessary to consult one when they want to look something up. It costs over a thousand US dollars.
I don't disagree that practically zero percent don't own a copy, but pretty much anyone in the UK can access the OED with a free library membership. It's pretty much the only thing I use my library card for these days.

If people do use a dictionary these days they most likely do use a Collins or Oxford Dictionaries (not the same as the OED). But I imagine that most people would just use a Google search and rely on the top box which itself is using Oxford Dictionaries for its definitions.

> Zero percent of British people own an OED

I suspect fewer than 1% of British people own any paper English-language dictionary, but the sort of people who need a dictionary beyond what dictionary.com can offer will have online access through their employer, their institution, their local UK public library, or for the princely sum of £8/m for a personal account when paying annually.

Regardless, the authority that the OED holds on British English is best understood through the criticism section of it on Wikipedia, with people decrying its absolutely overwhelming influence:

> criticizing the OED is extremely difficult because "one is dealing not just with a dictionary but with a national institution", one that "has become, like the English monarchy, virtually immune from criticism in principle"

Many libraries in the UK and Commonwealth countries have the full volume set the first, second, or both editions of the OED.

I've routinely referenced it in both the university library and the local town library since 1980.

There's been a digital version of almost all of the second edition kicking about since just prior to the print release of the second edition - I have that on most computer images I own.

The OED offers digital subscription access to the second edition and to the in progress third edition which a good number of people, libraries, companies subscribe to.

It's the dictionary of reference for those serious about the English language.

The American Heritage Dictionary is far better than Merriam-Webster in my experience.
> Merriam-Webster has it as "chiefly British spelling" of jail

It's odd that it doesn't mention it as archaic, because it's provably Just Not Used in the real world [0], but it's also an American dictionary, so all bets are off

> https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?q=gaol

If you click on the entry your search results give, it takes you to the entry for jail (eg: jail is the canonical noun it's using). Jail and gaol have slightly different routes into English, with gaol being via Northern French. Sez the OED:

> "remains as a written form in the archaic spelling gaol (chiefly due to statutory and official tradition); but this is obsolete in the spoken language, where the surviving word is jail, repr. Old Parisian French and Middle English jaiole, jaile. Hence though both forms gaol, jail, are still written, only the latter is spoken. In U.S. jail is the official spelling."

Finally, though, "jail" as a noun is pretty infrequent compared to "prison", which are the same thing in the UK (unlike the US), but the latter is much more common. The verb form on the other hand is almost always "jail", so when you are "jailed", you're sent to a prison.

0: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/100681/which-wor...

I see gaol a lot here in New England historic places. There are plenty of old crumbling "town gaols" and such.
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Brit here. Nobody here says "gaol" in normal speech or writing. Usually "prison", sometimes "jail".
How do you know if they SAY jail or gaol given they're pronounced the same, being alternate spellings of the same word?

Nobody writes/uses I can concur. The pedantry here, is somewhat apposite surely?

Fair enough. No one writes it then. Although it could be a world thats only ever spoken. If there is such a thing.
I could tell you more words that are only ever spoken, but not here.
Pet peeve of mine but technically prison is for convicts, jail is for those yet awaiting a conviction but who aren't trusted to show up to court if allowed to roam freely. That the jail system (in the US especially) has essentially become a form of preemptive incarceration without the presumption of innocence is largely an artefact of the bond system, the overwhelmed courts and the perverse incentives in all of those systems from law enforcement to private prisons.

I realize the terms are often used interchangeably but I think the distinction is important especially because of the implications for presumption of innocence from conflating the two.

> Pet peeve of mine but technically prison is for convicts, jail is for those yet awaiting a conviction but who aren't trusted to show up to court if allowed to roam freely.

Pet peeve, but despite being a frequently claimed technical distinction, this is wrong both in terms of the strict definition of the terms and the way they are used as names of real institutions (though it is approximately true in most US state justice systems—but not the federal system—if you consider only felony crimes.)

As a life long englishman, this thread is the first time i've encounterd "gaol" as a word. Not an english spelling.
P G Wodehouse uses the term, I’m fairly sure.
"Tyre" is extremely common throughout most of the English speaking world. "Gaol" is used by attention-seeking Australians desperately hoping to kick off dumb threads like this.
Tyre is clearly the correct spelling. I quickly tire of anyone claiming otherwise. Gaol is an archaic spelling which I've found incredibly confusing ever since I was a small kid a long long time ago.
Tyre is clearly the correct spelling for the city in Lebanon. ~
Oh, it‘s in Lebanon? I think it‘s mostly known for being in Civ 5.
In Australia, gaol is far more common than jail. Neither are used anymore really. It's more often just prison or penitentiary.

Some of Australia's more popular historical sites are old gaols.

I know, I lived in Australia for 5 years. That doesn't change the fact of my post - that in a thread about jailbreaking kindles, it's nothing but attention-seeking bait to use the term.
Geeze, Louise! Did a Koala mercilessly bully you while you were there, mate?
I have no problem with Australians, I think they're mostly great. Occasionally you'll get an obnoxious one who insists on inserting "gaol" into a conversation just to kick off an insanely stupid side thread.
I have to say, as an Australian, your reaction is making me want to use the spelling more often. We're generally culturally averse to people taking themselves too seriously!
I did a tour in OIF with Aussie air force troops. I love that about Aussie culture. That and the drinking :-D
Also Australian, would never have thought to spell it like "gaol" these days but seconding this.
Tbf as a Kiwi (currently in the UK) I see a lot of Australians, when interacting with other cultures, kick up their Australian-ness as much as they can; strengthening the accent, swearing way, _way_ more than they usually would, using "mate" "bloody" etc way more than they do just speaking to me.

I mean when two Australasians speak with each other in a foreign place I definitely hear the accent rise up a bit more outta the both of us but Aussies are something else when it comes to putting on a show, especially when Americans are involved (in my experience).

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Penitentiary? Maybe it is as a your-state thing?

Never heard of it down here in NSW, and I worked with Police, Justice Department, Juvi, and the rest of police to prison pipeline.

You're probably right. I was thinking of "Correction Centre" or other terms.
Strictly speaking Australia doesn't seem to have jails, although some "Community Correction Centers" serve the purpose of jails (i.e. holding suspects before trial): https://vanessaash.com.au/whats-the-difference-jail-and-pris...

Prisons are where convicts go. Jails are where suspects awaiting trial go. People in prisons have been convicted and sentenced. People in jails might be proven guilty or not.

The simple rule you provide doesn't describe any real system; it seems to be an approximation drawn from how felony charges under state law in the US usually work, but more generally, in the US, Jails are local (usually county) facilities that both house suspects awaiting trial on state charges and convicts serving state misdemeanor sentences, while prisons are either state facilities that hold felony convicts or federal facilities that can house anyone from pre-trial detainees on federal charges to convicts on any kind of federal charges.

There are some variations among states, too; e.g., in California, some state felony convicts serve their sentence in county jails rather than state prisons.

Shout out to Elden Ring
Never expected HN to explain to me what "evergaol" means, but here I am. Thanks :)
It is a very old jailbreak: Ye Olde Gaolbreak! One had to bribe the town constable with a ha’penny and a pint of mead just to install a third-party reading app. Dost thou even root, sir?
Gawdamn, whatever happened to a respectable old Mediatek vulnerability being exploited by a suspicious app on ya computer that called itself something funny like Kingoroot?

(Sidenote but I'm still impressed that thing would work without giving my computer half a dozen viruses)

Relevant recent discussion:

Kindle is removing download and transfer option on Feb 26th - 299 Points | 173 comments - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43070155

Amazon ends kindle ebooks "Download and Transfer via USB" - 121 Points | 94 Comments - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43041726

I suspect most people that go this route (ie download and manage their own ebooks, then transfer them to their Kindle) use Calibre, which afaik, is unaffected by this change.

https://calibre-ebook.com/

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Does a jail broken Kindle allow me to remove the DRM from Kindle ebooks downloaded to it?

(I genuinely don't know. Until now, I've always downloaded Kindle purchases via ”Download and transfer via USB”, then stripped the DRM and transferred to the device with Calibre.)

Not in and of itself, no.

It would allow another source to downloading them from the Amazon website (as that is going away) on to a PC where stripping software can (in some cases) be applied.

It also might (but might not) be a way for decryption keys to be extracted from devices for that purpose, but it doesn't automatically provide such an exploit.

> It would allow another source to downloading them from the Amazon website (as that is going away) on to a PC where stripping software can (in some cases) be applied.

Right.

I wonder how hard it is, or would be, to simply emulate whatever alternative channel the Kindle devices use to download Kindle ebooks from Amazon's servers.

Until now, there hasn't been much motivation to do so, since the "download and transfer via USB" in option existed. But now there obviously will be.

A year ago, I bought an ebook via Amazon. When I received it, I was so shocked by the bad quality (e.g., low-res graphics like 300px) that I returned it and bought the same book on the publisher's website. Even though it cost exactly the same, it was like a completely different book, with mixed vector and pixel graphics that made sense and even without any noticeable DRM.

That day, I decided to stop buying ebooks at Amazon. So, who cares if they shut down the download feature? You still have a week to download everything you need, and then you better buy at shops that value their customers' wishes.

Highlighting the very popular app enabled by this, KOReader: https://koreader.rocks/

https://github.com/koreader/koreader

Yes, KOReader is the reason to jailbreak a Kindle.

It's way better than the built-in Amazon reader app.

I was actually trying out KOReader (on Android via F-droid) last night and it... looks promising... but better than the Kindle app, really? It doesn't have a dark mode which is basically baseline for me reading at night. Or am I missing something?
E-ink screens usually don't want dark mode, because of the weird way they have to refresh[0]. The effect of that is much more visible with white text on black background compared to the opposite.

There's however a dark mode still if you need it; go to the gear icon, screen, auto warmth and night mode. Tap the mode line to switch it from automatic settings (either on time schedule or coordinates) to manual.

[0]: Basically, E-ink displays have to fully "reset" their screen by repeatedly toggling the pixels on and off, since they can't fully toggle themselves off normally; doing so will leave them with a bit of grey. Because this isn't very friendly on the eyes, most displays usually do this every couple "page changes" (actual pages when reading or moving in a menu.)

I've been reading at night for years on my Kindle, and dark mode works very well. During daytime you don't want to use it.

When you're using a device actually for reading, you don't care about minor defects on the page, just like you wouldn't care about some stain on the page of a paper book when reading it.

Thanks, I must have missed it, so that's the task when I go to bed tonight.

I hate the idea of my book collection being chained to Amazon by DRM, absolutely hate it. This whole DRM mess is one reason I haven't bought a dedicated e-reader.

Though, to be frank, it's not the only one, I spent a jaw dropping amount of money on a really good hardcover copy of The Lord of the Rings recently, and I feel like no ebook will ever come close to the reading experience of that thing. There is something about this immense, weighty, hardcover tome that just commands your attention and I still find that print on good paper causes less eye strain than even the e-ink screens I've used (though they are pretty good).

Yes, I also tried it on Android to see if it's worth jailbreaking my kindle and honestly the UI is a bit of a mess. It takes a lot of tweaks to get a nice looking layout to start with, out of the box it's just tiny text filling the screen with no margin.
Does it have machine translation? That would be a killer feature for me.

Edit: it has AskGPT!

For translation of more than a couple sentences on demand, you'd more likely translate the epub before you put it on the device, like with the Calibre plugin https://github.com/bookfere/Ebook-Translator-Calibre-Plugin . There are better solutions that have a dictionary for consistent name translations, too.
which engine has the highest accuracy? how reliable is it?
According to WMT 2014 benchmarks, GPT 4o and Gemini Flash 1.5 are acceptable. I think Gemini Flash 1.5 8B is the most used right now due to price. In my experience, it is pretty good except in name translation and consistency across text which is why pros use translation dictionaries. It will mostly translate idioms which is nice.
Thank you for this! My Victorian novel reading experience is about to level up.
Koreader can also be installed on Kobo out of the box with no jailbreaking. Just in case anybody was thinking of getting a Kindle for this.
It's worth doing so on older kobo readers in my experience because it turns pages faster, and it also correctly displays embedded ePub fonts that the native software doesn't. I don't know how many of you will ever read books that feature APL glyphs so I don't know how relevant that last bit is, and I can't speak for more recent models.
stock kobo has two epub readers. trash one from adobe used for drmed files and stock epubs, and an actually good one for use with KEPUB files. There's a calibre plugin to make the conversion upon push to the device.
Worth it just for this app.
It's a shame this doesn't work for the Kindle Fire tablets, which are amazing devices for the price but unfortunately tethered to Amazon services.
I used a jailbroken kindle fire running lineage for years. I dropped that thing, got it wet, got it hot. It was impossible to kill. It finally had 1 drop to many but it was one of the best devices I ever had in terms of utility / $
Indeed. I had an original Kindle fire (back when it was still "Android") and I loved it great device for the money. It saddens me greatly how they've locked everything down. They could be the premier builders but instead I know then as grotesque authoritarians.
I find it exceedingly likely that they lose money on every kindle fire sold (at least during one of their regular sales), unless it causes more content sales. So the solution is of course to make it as useless as possible for anything else, otherwise they would just lose more. Same as inkjet printers.
I've had the same thought, though if true I wish they'd sell an unlocked version for more money, similar to how they did the ads on lock screen
Still have two Fire tablets (HD). Works for streaming and reading but surfing can be a drag
It’s interesting reading that the reasons for jailbreaking a kindle are so trivial, amounting to adding some minor functionality to reading books and not much else.

Kobo jailbreaks from back in the day gave you root on a stripped down Linux install, complete with telnet ssh and ftp. You could even install python and essentially do anything the cpu/display permitted. Another cool aspect with those older kobos was that they had two microsd card readers… one hidden inside the enclosure that contained the OS, accessible without even needing a screwdriver.

Don't Kobo jailbreaks still give you that? Are they even "jailbreaks"?
Yes, you can still do that. The only differences with modern Kobo devices are the loss of an external uSD slot and, on the latest modeks, the liss of the internal uSD slot.

I also have a hard time describing the process as jail breaking. Updates to the Kobo are simply unprotected zip files which contain firmware updates along with a gzipped tarball that contain updated files for the filesystem. Anyone with a knowledge of Linux can modify the software.

Ibalso consider the situation as rather stable. Not only has Kobo/Rakuten been ignoring modifications of the open source components for over a decade, they have been ignoring patches to the proprietary binaries.

That's great! Thanks!
I wish we could extract the kobo fonts so they could be used with koreader. I’ve found the fonts on the kobo root partition but they’re encrypted or otherwise obfuscated so simply copying the files doesn’t work :(
Tailscale being available totally changed the usage of my Kobo.

Seems like a jailbroken Kindle is a requirement to get it. https://github.com/mitanshu7/tailscale_kual

What's the point of Tailscale and how did it change your usage?
No matter what network I'm on my home network is accessible to just my Tailnet without exposing any of my servers to the full Internet.

This gives me OPDS access to my Kavita library from anywhere and I basically never need to plug in my Kobo to the computer.

I guess we have so many devices nowadays, there is no point into turning an e-reader into a generic computer.

I have at least 3 RPi lying around in my home, if I want to tinker that's what I will use.

I think you're mistaken, the Kindle is also Linux based and you can also do anything the cpu/display permits on a jailbroken Kindle. Most people install alternative reader software that supports more formats like epub, but you can do whatever. For a while I used an old Kindle as a "monitor" (connected over ssh) for a server that was otherwise headless. Obviously you can't do anything that moves too fast, but it was nice for doing simple maintenance & system monitoring tasks.
Wow, kindlemodding.org loads instantly. I know it's a simple website, but simple websites often still load slowly.
The entire frontpage was just 468KB, 91KB compressed, and most of that was the search index. Very neat!
Sad that 91kb is considered small.
Most websites are like 50mb, my dude.
Still nearly a half million characters, though.

That's 1:40 on dialup.

Not 50MB, that's not lightweight, which this thread is about.

> Not 50MB, that's not lightweight, which this thread is about.

I'm not sure what you're meaning to say to this but my point was that 50MB is absolutely humongous and so many websites are around that order of magnitude. 91kb is a lot smaller than it could be, even though it's not exactly absolutely small.

Heh.

I, for reasons nobody will wonder too hard about, have a downloads folder here with a few hundred Kindlebooks in .azw3 format. While non of them is quite as small as 91kb, many of then are around that 468kb size.

And they're whole goddamned novels that some talented author probably spend a whole year writing, not just single "small" webpages.

The modern web is insane.

~10kb of that are for the client side search library ("lunr") and 50.7kb for that searchs index. So around 2/3 of the whole first load size are "just" for the local search feature. The remaining 30kb split up in ~7kb of additional javascript, 16kb of stylesheets, and 7kb of html (content, markup, inline styles & scripts).

I am surprised by the amount of CSS, 109kb uncompressed but minified is a lot of styles for a rather simple design, but I guess its the "just-the-docs" standard and thus somewhat verbose by being generic.

This is great news! Can it be patched?
https://kindlemodding.org/jailbreaking/WinterBreak/ says it's based on https://kindlemodding.org/mesquito/ which in turn says it needs <=5.15.1.1
That's a mistake on my part, I've updated that page

Right now WinterBreak remains unpatched, but it is patchable and likely will be in the near-future

Is there a better way to block OTA updates than renametoabin? I've tried that and a few alternatives and none help with my Kindle 4s disabling the jailbreak whenever they get a whiff of internet.
The constant anti patterns in how your library and even things in Amazon's interest like book reviews display are why I would do this, if I thought I could script or fix the changes away. Kindle is Doctorow's enshittification at scale.
I have a nice unregistered recent Kindle that I put books on via USB (I don't even give it WiFi access), and every single time I switch back to the main library to pick a new book to read it puts up a modal informing me that it doesn't have cloud access and prompts me to register. Quite annoying.
This and a hundred other snippets of mal behaviour. I have both calibre side loaded and on device, and it does not like the mixture one bit: they're just files. What's the beef?
Not just enshittification in the way of spying and ads. The actual reading experience has got worse.

I have a Kindle 11 and an old Kindle 3. The Kindle 3 actually works better - easier to read, no random pauses, easier to search.

To this day, the 3 is still my ideal version. Everything else since has fallen flat in some way in comparison. It was the right size, had paddle buttons for turning the page, had a passable keyboard, was responsive, could play audio, &c. It was excellent. I very much wish mine didn't die on me.
Kobo are giving you root access with telnet from the start. You can flash modded firmwares, change the backend servers to phone your own calibre-web instance, install ssh, koreader and even a tailscale vpn on it. They even have UART pins labelled on their board. These are amazing devices to play with. And they read pretty much everything you throw on their storage: epub, cbz, cbr, pdf..
I moved from Kindle to Kobo for the sole reason that the backlight had tunable color temperature. I've ended up liking it for lot of reasons, including how open they are.
Kindle Paperwhite (and possibly others) have adjustable colour temperature too, with time-based automation. From a quick squizz, not quite the same as the Kobo (I don't think it has the "more blue in daytime" function) but just noting that it does exist on some in some fashion.
It's great that Paperwhite have caught up to Kobo in this manner. Back when I was evaluating replacing my (lost) Kindle I believe it was only an option on the top tier ($300+) Kindle.
I moved to Kobo because I bought my partner the Kindle Oasis and just after a year the battery couldn't hold a charge. I contacted Amazon and they would only give me 10% off a new device. I only found one person on the internet who was courageous enough to open one up. The screen was epoxied to the body with no way of opening the device without destroying the screen.

So I got her a Kobo Libra H2O. Just as waterproof, significantly cheaper, and you can actually repair it. I ended up getting a Libra Colour for myself and love it.

Don’t they have a 12 month warranty? What do you want Amazon to do after more than 12 months? 10% discount is above and beyond their obligations.
It's completely reasonable to expect it to last longer than 12 months, especially considering this is their premium model.
In Europe, consumers should be getting longer protection than 1 year. May require a fight / small claims court submission to exercise one's rights.
Yes, every device should fail immediately upon warranty expiration.

You should build a company founded on that principle.

Call it GTL Pty Ltd

Formerly known as Guaranteed To Last, but they dropped that naming and are now know simple as GTL after a social media smear campaign where people were saying ‘guaranteed to be the last thing you ever buy from that company’.

Oh, come on, they could totally own that smear campaign. "Guaranteed to be the last [class of device] you ever buy, unless you give it away." Something something heirlooms, put together a simple, 30-second narrative for the advertisement campaign, job done.
Would be normal/natural if we could change the batteries and not throw away devices when the battery fails even more natural when the device is not dirt cheep.
Have human wellbeing as the priority in making products.

Treat users with respect.

Make hardware open, firmware open, repairable.

Let’s be honest here, there are user hostile products and pro-user products. Let’s make making user hostile products illegal / unprofitable with laws.

For the record, my Kindle died after 4 years and Amazon replaced it. That one died after 2 and they replaced it again - all free. Australian Consumer Law is required to be followed if they want to trade here. If you want respect, speak to your lawmakers.
I thought 4 years is not bad at all but it’s even better because „consumer guarantee rights under the Australian Consumer Law, … don’t have a specific expiry date“ and „apply for a period of time that is considered reasonable having regard to the nature of the products or services“[0].

0. https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/broken-but-out-of-warr...

Consumer protections in the UK and EU means they have to last a reasonable length of time, and if not you get a proportional refund (or repair, or replace). I've had refunds from devices several years old.
Here in Mew Zealand we have the consumer guarantees act. Stuff needs to last for a duration commensurate with its price. Nice and vague and super good for the consumer.

An iPhone can generally get fixed under warranty for 2-3 years. I’ve never tried a Kindle but the premium model should get 2 years without too much fuss.

12 months is a laughable amount of time. Sadly, companies have normalized such short periods of time, so much so that everybody would give me looks when I say that 5 or 10 years would be more appropriate. Especially tech folks, so I'm expecting pushback in a forum like HN.

My in-laws have a few kitchen appliances from the 80s. Still working rock-solid. Not the wifi-enabled modern crap with some shitty cloud-based app that you need to replace all the time.

In Europe the minimum is 2 years, but I agree it's still too short.
That's kinda my point. Two years are better than one, but celebrating it as the achievement is really missing the bigger picture (and is a great success of lobbying work)
my biggest fear from moving out of kindle is losing access to the store. they did a good job securing most of the authors and books.

what’s your source for books and how often it happens for the books you’re looking for to be unavailable?

You can browse the Kobo book store here https://www.kobo.com/gb/en/ebooks
What are the prices compared to Amazon's? Books are generally cheaper here in the subcontinent. I did a price comparison of 30 books and found out that Kindle editions cost significantly lesser than Kobo. And Kobo editions cost slightly higher than paperbacks.

The total amount for these 30 randomly selected books came to: Paperback price: ₹13,017 (~$149) Kobo price: ₹13,252 (~$152) Kindle price: ₹9,171 (~$105)

I found that it's often best to use google search to search the kobo store. Books sometimes have multiple editions with significant price differences. Not sure if it would make a difference in this case.
What other popular stores exist? And I assume you sideload those books to Kobo afterwards? In that case, is the experience of reading sideloaded books inferior to that of reading store bought books?
google search "book_name epub"
... but this does not replicate the kindle one-stop store experience. and looking on the kobo store doesn't help either, i wanted the experience for someone who actually migrated from kindle. i may find the books i'm looking for now, but what are the struggles for people who actually used it? do they come later than kindle, are they using multiple shops, etc.

edit; yes, i know about the pirating options. i'm not talking about those.

Kobo in my experience has all the books from big publishers, the publishers that publish paper books too. What they do not have is the stuff from Kindle Direct Publishing. This is stuff people have self-published on Kindle, I think Amazon requires exclusivity when you do that too?

In my opinion this is actually more of a blessing than a curse since I consider 99% of that garbage I don't want to sift through.

Sometimes multiple store headaches are still a necessity depending on region. Even on Amazon.

IIRC they give you a better revenue split or something of that nature if you only publish there
`filetype:epub book_name` should be tried first, in my opinion.
This is rather terrible for supporting authors though. I read a lot of scifi from small authors who self publish on kindle direct publishing, and I would rather they get my money for their work.

And yes I can pay then find the epub (and not all are available, due to small author), but the experience is then much worse.

Contact the author, send direct to paypal. this way you get freedom, they get more money
This is partially on the author, and I say this as somebody how writes as a hobby. It's not too difficult to publish on the Kobo store, and there are other stores out there. Of course, it's difficult to compete with Amazon when it comes to reach and to some small features, but they are no panacea either. For example, they don't support epub 3 with aural synchronized media, and they do something terrible to images embedded into ebooks that make them frankly useless. And they charge authors an outrageous amount for kilobyte of ebook content.
FWIW, Amazon generally doesn’t require DRM on ebooks.
I believe Amazon impose a whole bunch of conditions on people publishing on their platform. Along the lines of exclusivity and controlling where else if at all you can sell it. I'm pretty sure Corey Doctorow extensively covered this.
Yes they do. One particularly annoying one is about pricing: price can't be zero. If you write as a hobby and don't care about making a dollar, then Amazon gets in the way. Sure, you can publish in Amazon and charge 1 USD, but then you can't publish your book on your own website for free because it goes against Amazon's TOS.

There are other peeves. Covers for example: it's against the TOS to have a cover that shows female nipples, but it's okay to show male nipples. Beyond the sexism of the rule, I'm worried that the way to enforce this is to have some ML system checking all the covers and making judgements about nipples. Which means you have to ask your cover artist to not draw anything that may accidentally look like the wrong kind of nipple \o/ .

> they charge authors an outrageous amount for kilobyte of ebook content

Probably because of the kindles with 'free data' to download books.

> rather terrible for supporting authors ... scifi from small authors who self > publish on kindle ... I would rather they get my money for their work.

I would suggest you write them (each of them) a letter, or email, which:

1. Discourage them from publishing on an Amazon platform, explaining how Amazon, and DRM-laden reading, is terrible.

2. Suggest that they publish with a link allowing readers to pay them directly, or at least via a payment platform (see here for example: https://www.mightynetworks.com/resources/patreon-alternative... )

While this is right in theory, in practice I don't think you realize why those authors are there : discovery and ease of management. Your offer makes them lose both, for what gain from their POV ?
But Amazon DRM-laden reading isn’t terrible. I buy a book, it’s on my Kindle. With Kindle Unlimited, I can read tons of books for a fairly small monthly price.

Not sure what problem we’re trying to solve.

So, I had a kindle, amazon prime, everything.. until the pandemic, and here in Norway we don't have an amazon webshop of our own. Up until this point I had been buying from Amazon US. The pandemic made shipping from the US hard, and so I decided to use AmazonUK, my login worked there, so i just switched to using that one. Then shipping from the UK became hard (brexit), so I started using AmazonDE.

Then Amazon locked my account, and said I needed to prove who I am. So I did, sent in documents to prove who I was. Didn't matter, apparently I had broken some rule about using my login in different amazon stores or something. Apparently I wasn't allowed to do that.

So now I lost all my books I had bought, because Amazon decided to ban me.

If I had bought these books from any open store, I would still have my books.. but because I bought from Amazon, I've lost them all.

That's why DRM free books are important.

The problem of supporting authors who actually want to be paid more than beer money (or any money, really) for their work, for one.

There's also the problem of moving those books onto another platform once Amazon directly affects you and you wish to move onto something else. (Amazon Unlimited DRM hasn't been broken yet.)

> This is rather terrible for supporting authors though.

Supporting a terrible platform to become the main place to get books is way, way worse.

Search for alternative first. If it doesn't exist: purchase and download the file from amazon and remove the DRM.
If there's no DRM-free version available to purchase, I buy from the kobo store (it's very easy to access different region stores which can impact book availability) and I then remove the DRM. Library genesis is also an option, of course.
This is why I buy an android e-ink tablet.

My needs are unique, all of our needs are unique I suppose, but I want epub but also want to use the Kindle app (in cases of them being the only place to get a book).

I worry about firmware updates(security), but also my needs do not require the tablet being online constantly. So in a case like this, not a phone, not online, I only bring the wifi up to download books from Amazon via their Android app.

Otherwise, I copy epubs over via USB.

This is the middle ground.

I've been quite happy with the Meebook E-Reader M7.

FWIW actual kindles don’t need to be online except if you are buying a book or transferring one via their website.

Older Kindles did have an optional cellular connection, but that was to make purchases easier.

Kindles aren’t limited to the Amazon store. Your kindle has an email address you can email books to, and there are ways to transfer via USB, etc.

thanks, i researched into this and bought a boox go color 7. now i can have both the kindle app (for books i can't buy anywhere else or already purchased) and new books outside of kindle app. bonus, it has text to speech which kindle doesn't really want to let you do so it won't lower audible purchases. not the same quality as audoble, of course, but free.
I don't know if it still works, but the last time I checked it was possible to un-DRM (de-DRM?), and convert amazon format to normal epub, and read it everywhere
Yeah there's a way to do this with Calibre + some plugins on windows. I tried on my Mac but it was unsuccessful.
Depends on which version of the DRM. KFX hasn’t been broken yet. It’s been a bit of a cat-and-mouse game where the DeDRM people make some progress then Amazon tweaks something and they have to start over. There are some workarounds that involve getting Amazon to give you an older version of the file, but then you lose the typography improvements present in later versions of Amazon’s ebook format.
Libgen, #bookz on irc, and dedrm plugin for calibre will let you get drm free copies of books you already own so you can use them however you see fit
Sadly Libgen seems to have been down for the past couple of months, there is some discussion whether it will ever come back or not.
I heard some new guys were running it federal bureau of something
Depends where you look :)
It's mostly gone now. Even on the newer domains.
I use the libby app on Kobo to get books from the library. Its just what I need. I can add epubs and pdfs from dropbox but never use that any more.
ebooks.com has loads of books on the platform, though they're DRMed. libby's great also.

no need to be locked into kindle anymore.

transferring books is also easy. you can install Calibre on your computer, connect the Kindle to it via USB and transfer. if you're into self-hosted, you can run Calibre on a server, either as an installed binary or in a container, and send books to it via email or dropbox.

I got a Kindle (moving on from an absolutely ancient rooted Nook) purely because the Oasis looked so nice

I'll never get a Kindle again because I was blown away by how impossible it was to repair (plus the closed system really sucks). Mine broke for no reason at all a bit ago; my best guess is the battery started to swell inside it and that broke the screen. Got a Forma super cheap ($25!) and I've been super happy with it, feels a bit cheaper but it's actually got some level of grip. Have read more on it in a month than I did on my Kindle in the last 3 years.

Haven't even dabbled into the custom tools stuff much but it all sounds great. Might get a cheap secondary one to play with, can become an (outdated) offline Wikipedia reader if nothing else.

Where did you find a Kobo Forma so cheap? A quick check on Ebay lists the cheapest at 150€, but maybe I'm looking at the wrong model.
Just got really lucky. Someone hadn't a clue what they were selling, was listed as "Kobo e reader" or something very vague like that. Fully expected it to either be broken or not match the image.

In general the Forma looks overpriced imo, the benefits of the 8 inch screen don't really warrant a price that nears the Libra Color or Sage.

Shocking that battery didn't work after a year. I still use my Kindle 3 from 2010; it still holds weeks of standby charge, days worth of reading.
This shows the decline in Amazon's customer service. I had several Kindles starting with Kindle Keyboard. At that time, Amazon's service was beyond amazing.

At one point, I had some issue with one of the Kindle while it was past 1 year. Amazon sent overnighted new Kindle for free when I was just hoping they give me some troubleshooting steps.

I stopped using Kindle about 4-5 years ago mostly because of all the bad press especially around them removing purchased books. Now I mostly buy paper books. I also use BOOX e-ink tablet to borrow books from library or newspapers. (BOOX is not ideal but there is no other choice of e-ink tablets that can let you use 3rd party apps, sadly.)

I'm on the BOOX train as well. I wanted a device that I could read books and catch up on HN on. Kindles do great with the former (if you're bought into their ecosystem) but suck badly for the latter. (Silk Browser is still too slow and renders all pages server-side with no ability to change this.) My BOOX Page 7 does everything I want and more, though I did choose to root and debloat it as well as install a firewall given the company's (ONYX) shady backgrounds.
I had no idea the extent that Kobos allow you to do these sort of things. Heavily considering a Kobo as my next e-reader once my PW3 gives ups. Is there a good starting resource for Kobo modifications like you mentioned?
Mobile read forum for most of it, but also heavily recommend kobopatch

1. https://github.com/pgaskin/kobopatch-patches/releases optional but nice to tweak some small ui details and get rid of ads

2. https://github.com/videah/kobo-tailscale to have a secure connection with your calibre-web instance, but you could also use self-signed certs

3. https://github.com/janeczku/calibre-web/wiki/Kobo-Integratio... adding books to calibre-web will cause them to appear on the device the next time it syncs with calibre-web

Thank you! Will peruse over these
There are ads in kobo? Is it normal or some sort of cheaper offering like kindles?
No ads per se, but a recommendation tile and a kobo plus subscription tile on the main screen that just eats display space for nothing. I mainly use kobopatch to change the epub reader margins, get the page remaining in a chapter and block firmware updates and a few other details. Totally optional, it's just pure nitpicking here. Here is all my kobo modding work in this repo, you can also find what firmware mods are available...

https://github.com/obynio/kobopatch-config/tree/master/src

Thanks, I'm liking kobo more and more every time I read about it :).

Out of curiosity, why block updates? Does it conflict with your modification

I switched from Kindle to Kobo and out of the box it would hard-crash within a few minutes of using it, every single time. You have to pry the case off and remove the internal battery hard reboot it. I sent it in, waited 2 months for a replacement, and the new one (with new firmware) does the exact same thing.

I despise Amazon as a brand but nothing comes close to the kindle hardware wise. Waterproof, indestructible, and never had it crash.

Kobos are just a simpler mental model for non IT experts as well, you plug them in, they behave like a USB key, you can't get easier than that.
That is exactly how Kindle first generation used to work, and thankfully mine still does its job.
Kindles have literally always behaved like that, from the beginning.

The very newest generation of Kindle changed the storage protocol from traditional mass storage (which was compatible with everything) to MTP, which is mildly annoying for Mac users, but it is still intended to just show up as a flash drive.

Behaving like a USB key is not a simpler mental model than "buy books on Amazon and they're on your device".

I agree on the freedom for geeks, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking non IT experts want to deal with files.

Kobo has the same thing. Buy books on Kobo and they are on your device. But they also support ePub natively and ADE DRM natively so there's more options of where to source books before conversion.
Thank you! You just sold a kobo :-)

I have a remarkable 2 and really like it, but my wife needs a new "Kindle" and I'd rather cut my finger off than pay Amazon to abuse me. Looking forward to trying out the kobo

Is remarkable 2 a good ebook reader?
Nope, though possibly with a custom workflow, it might be.

I own a Kindle Scribe, Paperwhite (a couple versions) and reMarkable 2, and while I promise myself to set up an easier experience for using reMarkable for reading and then selling the Scribe, I didn't find the time so they "got me".

It has no backlight, which I would find annoying, but i know someone who has read tens of thousands of pages on the remarkable 2. It's easy enough to copy epubs and pdfs to it though, and the screen is big which helps.
The actual experience of reading is quite good, but, it is not really fully-featured for EPUBs.I was trying to reflow text into a different font and size yesterday and it took forever. I ended up giving up. It is, however, quite hackable, and `rmapi` on GitHub allows you fine control of its (linux) system.
Fwiw, several stories here on HN about remarkable, so a search is probably worth doing if you've not read those other stories yet.
I have a reMarkable 2. It's better as a book annotator than a book reader, IMO. It's fine for my use case (reading during rest periods while at the gym), but I wouldn't use it as a full-time reader, as it can get quite slow and doesn't have very many eReader features.
Personally, I find it to be an excellent ebook reader. Easy to navigate, and works well with epubs and PDFs. I like to highlight and annotate on books as I read, and to me that is an absolutely killer feature that the remarkable allows me to do. It also saves a separate copy with the annotations so you aren't marking up your original, which is something I really love.

Devices made specifically to be e-readers are usually a bit less friction. but to me, The openness and hackability of the remarkable and it's excellent feature set for writing makes it an excellent choice.

This! I've worked on https://github.com/bjesus/air as a completely alternative and open source UI for my Kobo Clara HD. PostmarketOS support on the device is great and very recently an important patch that will allow us to use Wayland was also merged: https://gitlab.postmarketos.org/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merg...
This looks great. Is there by out-of-the-box usable e-reader that supports SSH? Air still has some manual steps/maintenance.

For comparison, I've used PostmarketOS on Pinephone, and it required a lot of fiddly to get a poor experience.

But maybe the simpler usecase of "just reading" has good solutions?

Boox devices are Android based, so also pretty hackable.
Remarkable Pro looks great and runs Linux and has SSH out of the box.
I bought a pretty early Kobo like 10+ years ago and found myself very underwhelmed with the software situation. I sold it and went back to my kindle.

Maybe it's time to take a second look. The hacker in me's interest is piqued.

Frankly though, the biggest thing that keep me on Kindle these days I suspect are hard to replicate. For example, automatic audio book/kindle sync where I can switch back and forth, listening to the audio book in my car and reading at home in bed. For two, read.amazon.com where I can read from my locked down work machine without installing anything. The whole whispersync ecosystem.

I don’t use any Amazon hardware but Kindle Unlimited has got me like netflix did back in the day.

Trashy sci fi is my vice.

I’ve recently looked into buying a replacement Kindle. In the end the Kindle hardware looks and feels much more premium with the display being even with the frame.

I hope there’s new models coming from Kobo that address that soon.

I'm still daily using my kobo touch from 2011, my oldest piece of 'still in use tech' (other than the Wii, which the kids still bowl on!).

Not being bound to an ecosystem, has really been a blessing - and in part kept it in use.

What you can't do on Kobo is use the page up and down buttons to scroll in the web browser unless you go through the effort of installing the cross-compiling toolchain and building a display server and a browser.
The Kobo Libra Colour has the best UX of a device I own, in that it's completely invisible. I can just read my damn books, highlight passages I think are noteworthy and save words I like the sound of. Everything just works, and the high seas experience is seamless.
True. To play the Devil's Advocate, Kindle is exceptionally cheap (especially the older models) on Prime Days
They're also intentionally repairable! I've got a Kobo Libra Colour which is a newer model, and its product page links to ifixit. I love it so much.
I really like my old Kobo, but I was a tad disappointed when I had to swap the screen. It's a very shoddy build. The screen is glued to the board and the battery is soldered. I felt like it was made to break when you try to open it.
Not to mention you're not blowing money up Bezo's botoxed arse.
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There are also the onyx boox models, many run android, and it seems like you can install whatever you want. I have no experience with them myself, but I am curios.
I have a Onyx Boox Go Color 7, and I love it.
I moved away from Kobo because of the ancient USB port, and got my PocketBook with USB-C four years ago, and I am still using the PocketBook.

With USB-C, Kobo would be a very good product. I guess they use it now.

Wow, this is so unbelievable, that I decided to sell my Kindle Oasis and get a Kobo. Thank you for this comment. I hate the restrictions on my Kindle.
Do you know how much of this applies to older Kobos? I love my Forma but I'd rather start experimenting like crazy on a 2011 one first if I can.
Newer devices apparently use secure boot and prevent modding the firmware, causing the developers of the Inkbox/Quill alternative distro to abandon the entire project: https://github.com/Quill-OS/quill
I recently had a very bad experience with Kobo.com. Bought an ebook thinking I could simply download and view it on computer. haha was I naive... I could not download it from the website, instead the download gave me some XML file for some Adobe shit app, which would then download it. But I did not sign up to download and install Adobe shit on my machine. So another option is using the Kobo app. But guess what... they don't have it for GNU/Linux. And I thought maybe I can use it with WINE, but their friggin download link for the app did not even work in Firefox, even when allowing all the third party crap they put on that page to load. So that way was also blocked. OK, I thought, let's get it refunded then. But good luck!!! finding any kind of support e-mail address! All their docs and links brought me back to their chat bot, which did not help me and instead always directed me to the docs again.

Worse, they have the audacity to state on their pages that only some ebooks are eligible for a refund and to find out whether yours is, they send you back into the docs and chat bot loop. I guess they don't want people to refund, so they made finding any contact info especially difficult.

How to make a real shitty user experience 101, presented to you by kobo.com. With this it is clear to me, that I will never again buy any ebooks from them. For anyone, who does not own their Kobo device already, I say hands off this one! Maybe buy the book and download a DRM free ebook from ... elsewhere. That way you pay, can have a clean conscience and enjoy your ebook.

DRM free ebooks are very few and far between, especially current titles.

What you describe is a pain and all true, this is just the state of ebooks unfortunately.

Kobo is not great at offering refunds like Amazon, as expected in many ways being a much more lean business not being propped up by AWS margins.

I love my Kobo reader and am happy with switching to it after a decade or more of daily Kindle use. But I think it is important to not over-sell it. It has had certain unexpected frailties, such as corrupting the database when I neglected to eject the USB device before pulling the cable, something that resulted in losing my notes and current progress. I also had to learn about the Kobo ePub format and install a Calibre plugin to get that working, otherwise some ePub files would rapidly drain the Kobo battery. I did not expect bad html/css to significantly affect battery life. I'm not sure I would recommend it to an older person or someone who doesn't have a little patience for tinkering.
my kindle oasis has been largely collecting dusk since I've got my kobo. I do really miss the buttons tho, perhaps this can prolong my buying a third device.

the only thing giving me pause is that I apparently have to register the kindle, which if possible, I'm sure I've avoided. any insight on why this is necessary?

I've done the opposite. While I love the openness of the kobo and the pocket integration, I end up using my kindle oasis more because of the form factor and because with the metal enclosure it feels better in my hand.
Be careful, I accidentally sat on it and it bent, and display got ruined. Kindle original survives just fine. The metal enclosure is not very robust
For those who prefer the default Reddit UI: https://www.reddit.com/r/kindle/comments/1hrwytr/all_kindles...
Each say we stray further from God's light.

I could rant about how dramatically heavier the new Reddit UI is, but I'd be wasting my time - the people here should presumably know why making everything heavier isn't great

Or maybe they don't, as evidenced by this new Reddit link not being absolutely buried

old.reddit is the only reddit.
libreddit instances are even better (if you're just a lurker)
As a moderator of /r/kindle, I can reveal that in January 2025, less than 1% of our visits were from users still using Old Reddit.

It does mostly attract users who aren't as technically minded as users on HN.

iOS Apps - 36.65% | Mobile Web - 24.85% | New Reddit - 24.37% | Android Apps - 13.30% | Old Reddit - 0.82%

This is much, much less than I would've guessed. I thought the new UI is universally hated.

I should leave my bubble more often.

I revived my old kindle pw7 using this a week or so ago. If you have an old kindle lying around, you can use it as an e-ink weather dashboard (or anything else for that matter, as long as you can convert it into a 8bit greyscale image).

https://terminalbytes.com/reviving-kindle-paperwhite-7th-gen...

i love this! unfortunately I'm still using my old pw for reading, I'll have to buy a second used one for this project
Nice to see a good write up. I did the same a year ago, it refreshes every hour (except night) and battery needs to be charged every 24-25 days.
My old kindle is a Kindle 3 from 2010, and it's still my primary e-ink reader. I still haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade.
I gave up on my first paperwhite last year (10+ years old). Would randomly lose its charge, which was annoying when bringing it on trips (and often not having an old micro-usb charger lying around). And from being stuck into all kinds of pockets and bags without a protector (half the use was it fitting in my pants) had seriously scratched up the screen. The new one I got is nice, but other than the old one being beaten up, I don't notice much difference. A bit faster to click around, but in the end it's mostly the same.
Mine would have longer and longer delays on each page turn when I started using it again last year. It's a 10+ years Paperwhite as well.

I jailbroke it and installed KOReader. Suddenly, no delays, great interface, wi-fi sync with Calibre. I might replace the battery one day, but it still lasts 2-3 books.

Books as a unit of time. Interesting :D.
Not sure what my old kindle version was, it had a keyboard though, but I upgraded eventually because I wanted a warm toned backlight. It's nice that the newer ones are a bit snappier too.
> Your Kindle must have a valid, internet-connected WiFi network saved to it that it can connect to during steps 8 to 10 (inclusive)

So only Kindle 3+ with keyboards work with this method, the early ones were whispernet only.

I upgraded from Kindle Keyboard to Kindle 2023 last year. Backlight is very nice and I appreciate its lighter weight, but otherwise it's pretty much the same.
Yup yup yup. I cracked my keyboard and got a paperwhite. I love the dark mode for late night reading but would probably go back to a refurbished keyboard in the face of any strife; just like the old form factor more.
I find the Kindle keyboard pretty much perfect.

Even the battery surgery wasn't that hard and fixed the only problem mine had.

Only upgrade I did from my old kindle paper white was to a water-sealed version. Really nice to take it to the beach or a pool then just hose it off when I’m done so it doesn’t have sand and such everywhere. Just less stressful to carry around in general.
USB-C on the newer Paperwhites (and base Kindles? IDK if those changed over yet), in case you just want all your (portable) gear to be USB-C.

What is extremely annoying is people constantly and universally lauding the Kindle for Kids option, when it is only offered in the US. Or, at least, its barely offered in the EU.

Those USB-C to microUSB adapters are handy, I keep one in my backpack since my camera and some other things are microUSB.
I replaced the USB port on my older kindle with a USB-C port when I did the same for a bunch of devices. Not an option for everyone but if you have the time and patience (and a little skill) I highly recommend it.
Thanks for the shout out to kindle-dash! <3 Great looking dashboard you have there!
Unfortunately your Kindle needs to be registered to do this, and it's often a phenomenal pain in the ass to get old Kindles to register, if it's possible at all. I've got two old Paperwhites and I can't get either of them to register despite trying for hours and hours with every troubleshooting step I've found.
Thanks for sharing this! I'm working on a very similar project, and the bit about disabling sleep/built-in services was very helpful.
Still can't remove the stupid "cloud not available" nag if your kindle isn't online though, which of course it shouldn't be or they'll delete your copy of 1984.
Root access can't fix this?
I couldn't find a way, I was hoping someone better at firmware hacking could help me out but my repeated searches have turned up little
What nag? I keep mine in airplane mode and it doesn't nag me (unless I try to do something that requires the internet)
I updated mine a few years ago. (What was I thinking?) Now it nags me every time it is powered on.

Does anyone know if factory reset downgrades the firmware?

The newer gen kindles nag you every time you go to the menu to change books, even in airplane mode. Maybe this can be turned off if you register it, but I'm tired of having to sign up to some company's ever-changing digital contract and arbitration just to read a book.

Specifically, it's a Fullscreen popover that says "cloud not available" which I of course know because it's in airplane mode! You pay 300 dollars and get treated like you're using their device instead of yours.

it would be really cool to try bionic reader on the ne jailbreak.
what can you do with jailbreak Kindle? My Kindle usage has been pretty basic.
Didn't work on my Kindle Paperwhite (10th generation) with firmware 5.17.1.0.3.
What symptoms did you experience when you tried it?
It was something like “Couldn't connect to Kindle Store”.
Did you see the "Troubleshooting" section after the jailbreak install instructions?
Thanks for your help. I've just tried it. It failed with “unexpected error” again --- I believe the first error I got was also this one. I'm not sure what I might be doing wrong.
I tried again. This time I chose “Set up later” after the factory reset, so that I don't have to waste time completing the steps after registration. I got a “Kindle Store is currently unavailable” error. This error is more likely to be the first error I got.

Edit: I finally got it working by trying one more time, without factory reset.

According to this section[1] of the website, the latest jailbreakable firmware for PW4 (10th gen) is 5.14.2.

Not sure where the title of this HN post came from, but given the jailbreak came out on Jan 1st, I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon has already patched the exploit for hardware they're still supporting.

[1] https://kindlemodding.org/firmware-and-flashing/downloading-...

what are the main benefits of doing so? I'm missing what's the deal with jailbreak in this case, using thee transfer via USB? what's the best thing i can do afterwards?
Koreader is why I'll be doing it.

PDFs that don't suck, I hear.

Is there a site that calls out how to load this post jailbreak?
I use Koreader on my Kobo ereader for a few reasons:

- Much much faster than stock interface

- More customisable

- Comes with an ssh server. I load a static rsync binary and use rsync for syncing the library

- Much better for reading manga. Supports cbz, cbr format natively. Has the ability to clip empty space around the content to make reading on a small screen easier.

Use it as an external display or control center; it's hard to find decent and affordable standalone e-ink screens.
The amount of DRM and locking down Amazon bolts onto its ereaders and ebook formats feels insane to me. I can understand the profit motive but god damn.
> The amount of DRM and locking down Amazon bolts onto its ereaders and ebook formats feels insane to me. I can understand the profit motive but god damn.

I don't. I would be much happier buying ebooks without DRM and I would buy substantially more of them if they were DRM-free.

I am with you but we are a small minority. I literally don't know anyone IRL who cares about DRM. I doubt people like us factor into their decision making at all.
No, but I know people wondering why this can't play this video in 4k or why their offline downloaded videos stopped working and they get a pop-up telling them that they need to go online to re-validate them.

Yes, not many people know what DRM is but many of the effects are noticed when it ruins their experience.

I agree, however they probably assume it's their fault or something to do with this arcane black box they use but don't quite understand how it works.

For me, I bought a single DRM book against my better judgement because it was the only available way to get it quickly at the time. Predictably, I eventually lost access to it and never bought another one since.

I have never considered DRM on my Kindle, been using one for 15 years. I can buy any book on Amazon which is any book id be trying to read on this small format, and read it immediately for usually a maximum of $10. Never had want for more!
Until, one day, Amazon recalls a book you have purchased or simply folds up the Kindle service entirely (unlikely, I know, but certainly possible).
Kobo tells you when books have DRM and when they don't (at the bottom of the store page for each book). I'd recommend supporting them over Amazon any day.

Besides that, a lot of publishers who sell their own books do so without DRM by default. As does almost every book bundle hosted by Humble Bundle.

I never buy ebooks from amazon because they come with drm (did once, it was annoying as hell to get it removed with downloading random python scripts and having to start a windows vm, never again). It obviously can't be to stop people copying, because all the books are available for free anyway, maybe publishers stupidly ask for it, but the most likely reason is that amazon wants you to read from their devices so they can show you ads for what you haven't bought yet.
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It benefits Amazon obviously, but otherwise it's a massive shame to ebooks as a whole. I was really excited about ebooks when they started, but DRM has completely stagnated the format so much that I've almost completely given up on ebooks now, and read hard copies instead unless I really want to read something and it isn't otherwise available.
I never even got into ebooks in the first place, precisely because of the DRM and "your so-called purchases can still get yoinked" problems.
You definitely had better foresight than me then! I wrote off a lot of the "your purchases might get yoinked" talk at the time as "it would never happen in reality", but have had this happen to ebooks I've bought.
What about the format is stagnant? I haven't read a physical book in roughly a decade, and haven't remotely found ebooks lacking.

And to be clear, I understand and agree with the moral objections to DRM. I think we have lost something more than just the loss of ownership and control. But while you're actually reading an ebook, none of that ever actually affects the experience.

I would love to see some more interactive fiction (like Twine) possible. Aside that though, I think formatting to me, seems constantly poor. I think you'd have a really hard time rendering something like Hope Mirles' Paris (you might need to google it!) in ebook form well.
The main formats are plenty powerful with the formatting they support. The bigger issue is that ebooks need to render on a pretty big variety of devices, and users can override typefaces and font size. So short of using a PDF to override those choices, there's not a ton that an improved format could accomplish.

Also, ebooks do support links (I see them most commonly used for linking to chapters from the table of contents, or linking to appendix notes), so you could make interactive fiction if you wanted.

It makes more sense if you think about it as something that they need to do in order to make sure that their marketplace attracts a wide range of publishing companies, some of which have very different perspectives on digital piracy, than as a way for them to retain a small percentage of revenue that DRM could theoretically protect.
Yeah, the fact that you need an exploit just to get full access to your own property is pretty ridiculous.
Loading F-Droid onto a modern Kindle Fire is quite simple.

You can also install FFUpdater (either via F-Droid or directly) for a huge range of browsers.

What do you see as locked down?

They're referencing the e-reader line of Kindles running a custom locked down OS (Kindle Paperwhite/Basic/Scribe/Colorsoft)
You have to pay them $20 to not get served ads on the lockscreen on your device that already costs at least $100 and probably makes healthy margin like most electronic hardware. Straight up extortion fee.
Amazon supporting pirating since 1997
Question to KOReader users: can you somehow keep the Bookerly font? It's one of the main reasons I like Kindle.
First, KOReader uses its own fonts in addition to whatever fonts are installed on your device, so yes. Second, you can find and download Bookerly on the internet and put it in the fonts folder, so also yes.
Hell yeah, power to the users.