Ask HN: Is this the worst time to be human?
If you are into a particular profession because you like it and get paid in addition, you have every reason to be miserable/ depressed.
what are your thoughts? 1. Is this the beginning of golden age for people who does not have any good skill but just mediocre who will make a killing by using AI tools and drive away people who are into a certain profession because of passion? 2. Are creative people doomed? 3. What options are available ? 4. Looks like greed is causing miserable lives for everyone. 5. Perhaps passionate people will continue to do things the "old way" but cannot make a living or compete with AI folks. For ex:- drawing animation by hand will become less economical compared with AI generated unless you are faster than a speeding bullet?
Please share your thoughts. Thanks
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True, but not exactly a new thing
How is it all going to play out? I have no idea. Career advice? Stay flexible and willing to learn, but I can't give any concrete advice.
It's the best time.
Dont use hedonistic treadmill theory to devalue what people actually say. Having crap we dont care loosing available does not mean everything is consistently better.
I think the world is what you make it, in Western countries (standard caveats like disabilities). I empathize with misery experienced in other places, but it has nothing to do with AI. It has to do with humans, bad decisions, power monopolies.
Anyone miserable in America is choosing it, or very unlucky.
Riots over chariot races burned or destroyed half of Constantinople in 532: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots
A volcanic winter started in 536: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter_of_536
Plague of Justinian began in 541 AD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian
I’d also rather live now than in China during the Taiping Rebellion.
I don't think you're arguing this is the worse time in all of human history to live, but that this period we are now entering broadly speaking is the worse for our humanity in many ways.
I think the latter could be true, at least for some of us. There's many things that gave my life meaning which I've abruptly stopped doing as a result of AI – and no one has given me a good reason to want to continue pursuing those things.
- I used to write a technical blog and published technical books. There is absolutely no point in me doing this anymore. I've spent years of my life writing and I'd now advise people to use AI over reading anything I've ever written. Acknowledging this makes me physically hurt because it was a huge sense of pride for me in the recent past.
- I used to write music. I'd argue there's absolutely no point in anyone wasting their time with music now. Unless you're extremely talented AI is going to do a better job than you. Unless you get a kick out of prompting AI to produce music or enjoy creating subpar music there's no point.
- I've spend decades of my life coding. It's my number 1 passion in life. It's the thing I loved doing more than anything as a teen. But I no longer code. AI is broadly superhuman at all coding, and even where it's not it's quite there yet it's far faster for me to tell AI what code to write. This isn't remotely enjoyable, but I'll do it for a while more just for the money.
- I used to do a fair amount of casual photo editing and VFX for people. It was a bit of a side hobby from when I was a teen, but I was decent enough. I'd never do this anymore. For almost all small projects people are better off using AI.
Elsewhere I no longer ask humans to do things for me:
- I don't need to pay human to design things for me anymore
- I don't need humans to pay humans for translations
- I don't need to pay humans for technical knowledge I don't have
I genuinely don't know what people are doing on computers where they're finding meaning anymore. For me I'm just checking out and growing my own food, building furniture, raising my chickens, etc. None of it gives me creative meaning, but at least I feel like I'm accomplishing something.
My sense is that AI appeals to the types of people video game cheat codes appeal to. If you feel satisfaction from completing games with unlimited health, then you probably love AI. I'm not that person. I like things I do to be hard with high barriers to entry. If I can talk to an LLM and do something it's pointless in my eyes.
It's also not a novel argument. Why write new music or perform music at all in an era in which recordings are widely available?
I actually agree with this, but not everything has been written.
Everything I created had to have some uniqueness. That was something I was obsessive about. If I thought you could find anything I wrote on some other blog or on Spotify then I wouldn't write it. There would be no point.
I don't think you're wrong, I think I'm just wired differently. I really like achievement. And effort without achievement seems pointless to me.
I was never particularly talented at music, but I could do things most people couldn't and so there was a sense of pride.
Similarly with my writing, the topics I covered in the way I did required undeniable thought, effort and care.
Today if it wasn't for the metadata showing a pre-2023 creation data, you'd genuinely struggle to know if it was 5 mins of prompting or days of effort... The last 2 decades of my effort can be summed up in this way. If I've waste 2 decades, I don't want to waste anymore time. I just have to try to find other things I can be proud of and that requires moving on from the things that once gave me joy.
I think your way of thinking is the ordinary one (though you might be exceptional in your honesty). So maybe with such a demand for the opportunity to have extrinsic achievement, it will be manifested.
I doubt our ancestors would truly recognize our achievements and conversely (I have no deep knowledge of history, but this just sounds right). And I’m worried that you and I will not be adapted to whatever future version of achievement manifests (without a certain amount of pain at least), but at least it seems to me like future generations will be. Abstractly humans want extrinsic validation, and probably will learn to find it.
Now most people based in the West are relatively safe from infectious diseases and war, we have the luxury of being uncertain about what the chatbots are going to do with us.
I mean, if I had a choice of people to rule superpowers or dish out the AI investment I'd probably pick different options, but in most respects life is pretty cushy and its basics pretty certain compared with most of history. I'd certainly pick uncertainty about next year's employment than certainty I'd be a subsistence farmer but uncertainty about whether my farm would produce enough to subsist....
However, I think we may live in the worst time in terms of predicting one's own future, as well as the future of our children. I haven't managed to have kids, but if I had any right now, I'd have no idea on how to guide them into adulthood without effectively bullshitting them in some way. My advice would probably end up being 10x worse than Boomer advice, even if I tried my very best to be in touch with the times. For instance, if my hypothetical son told me that some day he wanted to be a programmer like I am, how am I supposed to encourage him without straight up lying? My role already is very different than it was a couple years ago, and it may have little resemblance (or not even exist at all) in another decade. The same goes for my first career as an animator; the need for those skills is rapidly going extinct. Animated 99.999% of animated content will undoubtedly be created by people who know absolutely nothing about what we understood to be animation fundamentals up to now. I really have to wonder how any young people today can be motivated knowing that their career might as well be over before they even attend their first university class.
This is a revisiting of a question that has been asked many times.
The Dollar was completely debased to it's current fiat status in 1971, and now buys about 2% of what it used to. Real wages have fallen as labor supply was almost doubled thanks to the influx of women into the work force, and reduction of demand due to automation starting in the 1960s.
However, this is the best time to be alive, on average. If you can get it, modern medicine performs at levels that would have seemed miraculous a century ago. Even if you're broke, antibiotics and other over-the counter drugs can save you from things that would have killed our ancestors. They routinely died from scratches that got infected, parasites in the water, and malnutrition.
If you live below your means, and associate with others who share that goal, you can have a quite happy life.
As far as college, it's not worth it unless you're going to be a Nurse or an Engineer. (Not a programmer with stolen valor, that's a different job, and you don't need a degree)
There is a lot of sht coming at us that our monkey brains are just not equipped to deal with. Doomscrolling dopamine loops, big tech & their algos, AI misinformation (and job fears)
If a major war kicks off or the financial system collapses...then yeah worst.
For the end of the world was long ago, When the ends of the world waxed free, When Rome was sunk in a waste of slaves, And the sun drowned in the sea.
When Caesar's sun fell out of the sky And whoso hearkened right Could only hear the plunging Of the nations in the night.
When the ends of the earth came marching in To torch and cresset gleam. And the roads of the world that lead to Rome Were filled with faces that moved like foam, Like faces in a dream.
And men rode out of the eastern lands, Broad river and burning plain; Trees that are Titan flowers to see, And tiger skies, striped horribly, With tints of tropic rain.
Where Ind's enamelled peaks arise Around that inmost one, Where ancient eagles on its brink, Vast as archangels, gather and drink The sacrament of the sun.
And men brake out of the northern lands, Enormous lands alone, Where a spell is laid upon life and lust And the rain is changed to a silver dust And the sea to a great green stone.
And a Shape that moveth murkily In mirrors of ice and night, Hath blanched with fear all beasts and birds, As death and a shock of evil words Blast a man's hair with white.
And the cry of the palms and the purple moons, Or the cry of the frost and foam, Swept ever around an inmost place, And the din of distant race on race Cried and replied round Rome.
And there was death on the Emperor And night upon the Pope: And Alfred, hiding in deep grass, Hardened his heart with hope.
A sea-folk blinder than the sea Broke all about his land, But Alfred up against them bare And gripped the ground and grasped the air, Staggered, and strove to stand.
He bent them back with spear and spade, With desperate dyke and wall, With foemen leaning on his shield And roaring on him when he reeled; And no help came at all.
He broke them with a broken sword A little towards the sea, And for one hour of panting peace, Ringed with a roar that would not cease, With golden crown and girded fleece Made laws under a tree.
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G. K. Chesterton - The Ballad of the White Horse - https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1719/1719-h/1719-h.htm
To answer your question being born in Eastern Europe (Poland/ukraine specifically) in the late 19th century might be the worst time/place to be human.
You say AI is making our creative pursuits feel meaningless?
How many creative pursuits do you think the average person had throughout history when close to 50% of people died before age 5, fewer than 10% of people could read, women and minorities had close to zero rights, the average worker was impoverished and farmed sunup to sundown to barely eat and avoid famine, there was little treatment for diseases (infectious or otherwise), common people could be conscripted for war at a moment’s notice…I could go on.
You think the average person in history spent their time painting and writing? These are luxuries 99% of people who ever lived could have never dreamed of.
That's an industrial age work ethic. Before industrialization made everything cheap, you couldn't just go to the big store and buy stuff, and as a peasant you definitely didn't have enough income to hire a craftsman to make everything you needed.
People have historically spent a lot more time than we do now making things they need themselves, or things for other people to trade for their craft. Shoes, clothes, basic tools, food, and so on.
So yeah, quite a lot it turns out.
It's just passive (or mildly active) entertainment, nothing more.
Stuff is being "created", but it's not coming from me, and so I don't feel I'm making anything.
It is undeniably entertaining. Small children absolutely love it. "Make a happy face with a poo stuck to it" ... seconds later, bursts of laughter.
I think people get addicted to the stuff because of the inconsistent feedback. You never know how the next thing will turn out and it can take iterations to get to something "good".
If every time you threw a basketball at a hoop, it went through, few people would go on to play basketball; they would get bored in 15 minutes and forget about it.
People throw basketballs at hoops because they have just enough control to think they can do it, in spite of it mostly not going well.